TTC after chemical pregnancy

[LucyCL]

I had a MC this Jan , 6 weeks and 1 day. Then I had a CP last Tuesday, 4 weeks and 6 days. I finally stopped bleeding today. Two pregnancies and two MCs so far.

I would like to know what your ttc experiences were like after CP. I admit I felt so lost when I saw the line getting fainter and I have been feeling very low and anxious for the last 7 days. However it is not healthy and it is time to be positive! So, I will be trying again this month. That is why I decided to start this thread.

Thanks @LucyCL i haven't temped in so long since TTC my daughter I can't remember do you temp every day of cycle? I missed today but could start tomorrow shouldn't think it would matter too much?

@LucyCL I'm going to order the easy at home OPKs and I was looking at the ZitaWest CoQ10 but at £50 per month I think I'll try the other one you linked by Gozitepe. I have been taking the pregnacare pre conceive with CoQ10 since January so will add in that on top I think.

No, it does not matter if you start taking BBT from tomorrow morning. Because your BBT will eventually dropped to the cover line on CD3. I do temp every day of the cycle. I take the Oral BBT during my period then will also use OvuSense to take core BBT from CD6. I like to understand what my body is doing in the background every day. 😂

I also take ZitaWest CoQ10 and although I cannot feel anything, I hope it is doing something.

Checking in, how are you doing xxx

Just did all blood tests and tomorrow I will have a PCOS ultrasound scan. Then my DH will do a sperm MOT this Saturday. If everything comes back normal, I don't think I will do any more blood tests until I get a BFP.
Since Feb, it has been a roller coaster. I am really happy that I didn't get pregnant last cycle because I can actually find out if I have PCOS and actually booked a cervical screening test at the beginning of August. I wanted to do it this April but got told by the nurse that it was necessary to wait for 12 weeks after a MC. Then I got CP this May so it delayed my cervical screening.😀
I am more or less back to my normal self before 2 MCs. Life goes on and let's see what happens. I hope your line is getting darker!

CD 5 Interesting discovery!
I think I have found out why my RHRs of this week are lower than the first week of the last cycle.
I set my alarm at 7 a.m on my apple watch. I woke up at 7 a.m every day during the first week of last cycle. But this week I have been ignoring the alarm and sleeping until 8/9 a.m apart from yesterday.
Although the Apple watch doesn't record RHR when you sleep, I don't think it is true in my case.

I did mention that tracking LH levels and BBT daily was very important however the past 4 days plus today without tracking anything apart from my oral BBT have been so relaxing! I feel free and can actually enjoy my life much more. Having a break from OPKs is great! 😁

Tomorrow I will start tracking LH and using OvuSense daily. Then I will start using Mira on CD7 every other day and start using CBFM daily on CD10.

My OPK is flashing this morning.
Normally I get my Static around a 17 and today is day 11 so I will either flash full several days or maybe I will ovulate early (could also have two surges as I did a couple of months ago)
As soon as I have a static I will start taking low-dose aspirin this time and then continue until AF either arrives or doesn’t. Obviously if it doesn’t I will continue with the LDA

Thai is interesting! What does LDA do ? Can you buy it or do you have to ask the GP to prescribe it for you ?

Hi Lucy, LDA (low-dose aspirin) Is purported to do a number of things. Firstly I said say that it can be bought over the counter (normally at 75 to 81 mg per tablet).

I should probably also mentioned that it is probably sensible to speak to a doctor before taking but some doctors will very much agree that it’s a good idea and others will say no, don’t take it under any circumstances so there is a lot of variance here. There are lots of medical reports available to read on the subject of aspirin in pregnancy, the advantages and disadvantages and a great deal of different opinions on when one should start taking it if one is taking it at all so I absolutely wouldn’t want to suggest that everyone should try it as this would be very wrong of me, I’m not in the medical field.

Some reports and extracts here…
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/15/10/2220/614068#:~:text=Amongst%20women%20who%20had%20a,to%20a%20higher%20livebirth%20rate.

There are quite a few threads on aspirin as well so have a look but consider carefully if you are looking to use X

@Carportforme Thank you for sharing the info! I will have a good read and do my own research! ❤ Then I will decide if I would like to take it or not this cycle.

Today I did the PCOS scan on CD5 and I was told that both of my ovaries were Polycystic. The sonographer didn't count the number of follicles on each side however based on the fertility assessment I did last month, I believe the right one had 25 and the left one had 20 when they checked.
That is super interesting because I did one when my 1st MC happened this March, I was told that only my right ovary was Polycystic.
Then I did another scan later in the same month and got told that I didn't have PCOS.
I did the PCOS blood test from Medichecks last month and the result said I didn't have it.
Today I was told that I had PCOS based on the ultra sound. Of course, I still am currently waiting for the result of this month's blood tests. It will tell me if I have PCOS or not.

So I have a few questions.

1. Does miscarriage cause PCOS to happen? I know that PCOS can cause miscarriages.
2. Can Low Dose Aspirin reduce early MCs caused by PCOS?

If I have more questions, I will post them here. So I will do some research and decide what the next step is before I get my LH surge this cycle.

I don't mind sharing if some of us are curious 😁

There is one thing I would like to share:
This March when I found out my right ovary was Polycystic, I started to take myo inositol and folate then I got a BFP in the next cycle. Sadly CP happened.
I have been taking Zita West's myo inositol and folate power since CD2. I hope this will help me again this cycle. 💜

www.zitawest.com/products/inositol-and-folate?_pos=1&_psq=folic&_ss=e&_v=1.0&tw_source=google&tw_adid=650709949396&tw_campaign=19793106419&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-uK0BhC0ARIsANQtgGOJOSs3AJrktGeDPyI80Q131qtRilY6AnRUb3csl_IBHXaCA6C5HJYaArJEEALw_wcB

After reading some threads about LDA, it is really tempting for me who might have PCOS and also has had two unexplained early losses.😅

@Carportforme I really have got nothing to lose ... Are you planning to take 75 or 150mg aspirin? Which brand?

Thanks for sharing @LucyCL, what is biochemical correlation if you don't mind me asking? Spotted it on the recommendations of your doctors notes. Have you gone for your tests privately or through the NHS?

I'm tempted on the ZitaWest myo inositol, CD3 for me today do you think if I order and start taking when it arrives it would be too late to impact this cycle?

I seem to have stopped bleeding today on CD3, heavier than usual flow for me on CD1 and 2 and then down to spotting and then stopped today. Normally I have about a 4 day cycle sometimes 5 my cycle was also shorter than average this time so maybe just be body adjusting after CP?

Re the low dose aspirin just check you aren't taking any other medications which could interact, I wouldn't be able to take it due to meds that I'm on but do know of it seeming to be successful for some! There definitely seems to be a link

The biochemical correlation relates to Biochemical markers. In other words, the ultrasound scan doesn't not have sufficient data so a PCOS blood test is needed to determine if it is actually PCOS.

Here is what I found:
"To receive a diagnosis of PCOS, you must meet two of the following criteria: irregular ovulation, which is usually indicated by an irregular menstrual cycle or a lack of a cycle. signs of increased androgen levels or a blood test confirming you have increased levels. multiple small cysts on the ovaries."

I have regular ovulation
Based on the PCOS blood test I did last cycle, I didn't have signs of increased androgen levels
I have multiple small cysts on the ovaries

I did one PCOS blood test from Medichecks on 25/6/24 and I was still in the follicular phase and the doctor thought I was in the luteal phase. My LH was pretty low and it was CD 16 so the doctor assumed that I had ovulated already.
Please see the screenshots. In the doctor's comment, I don't have PCOS based on the biochemical markers.

This cycle I did another PCOS blood test in a private clinic on CD3 to make sure everything was fine. I am still waiting for the result.

After my 1st MC at the beginning of March, I bought a different brand of Myo-Inositol from Amazon

EN Myo-Inositol Chromium & Folate Blend | 1000mg Myo Inositol Per Serving | 180 Vegan Capsules | Supplements for Female Support | Vitamins for Women | Non GMO | Gluten & Allergen Free | Made in The UK

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08DY37Y89?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

I took it for 3 months then stopped at the end of May.

This cycle I decided to try Zita West's Myo-Inositol and folate from CD2 so I couldn't tell you if it is good.
Here is what I found:
"Myo-inositol can be absorbed by your body quickly as it's water-soluble with high bioavailability (the extent and rate at which myo-inositol enters your systemic circulation). It starts taking action straight away, but it takes longer to see noticeable results."

It improves the quality of eggs and promotes ovulation. It takes 3 months for an egg to mature so I think we will have to take Myo-inositol for 3 months to ensure us to release a good quality egg.

I am not taking any medications so I have decided to take LDA (75 mg) when CBFM shows its first "High".
For the luteal phase, I also plan to eat 3 brazil nuts per day.

Here is what I found:
"Brazil Nuts: These large and hearty nuts are not only high in selenium but also act as antioxidants, which are needed to prevent chromosomal damage in both egg and sperm. "

"A fertilized egg burrows into uterine lining about a week after ovulation, so consume 2-3 brazil nuts per day, from the day of ovulation - until 10 days post ovulation. Brazil nuts must be fresh and raw only, not roasted or cooked"

One more thing is L-Arginine, Spirulina, chia seeds and Flax seeds are good for the eggs.

My second cycle after CP was still not normal so I still think that your body is trying to adjust and go back to normal. You might experience fluctuations in LH like me however everyone is different. 😃
I think taking myo inositol might have helped me to ovulate earlier in April. I am not sure however I am hoping to ovulate earlier.
Will this third cycle be a normal one??? I have no idea. 😅

CD6 of the 3rd cycle after CP, also the 1st day after bleeding.
It is important to find the baseline for everything. This is going to be an exciting new cycle! 💙💜

@LucyCL Thank you 🥰. I will definitely be stocking up on Brazil nuts! I have been taking the pregnacare pre conception for a few months now that does have inositol in it so maybe if I get the ZitaWest it would count as taking it for 3 months but I'm presuming the ZitaWest is a more high quality potent version I'm guessing.

The pregnacare also has CoQ10 in it but I've got the one you linked via Amazon in addition and have started that also a couple of days ago.

Fingers crossed this cycle is the one for us both 🤞🤞

Feeling a bit deflated today for some reason, I listened to a podcast about fertility and I found out that the egg is selected for ovulation 3 months prior meaning that supplements and diet etc you would have had to be implementing for 3 months for it to be truly effective on egg quality. I'm worrying that I've not done enough in months prior to get a healthy egg this cycle and would I be better waiting rather than getting pregnant with another poorer quality egg and having CP again.

I might be overthinking, I don't know why but I feel as though my previous miscarriages are my fault when actually I don't know the cause. Sorry for being negative just feeling off today... my best friend announced her pregnancy last week and we would have only been a couple of weeks apart so finding it a bit hard. I need to snap out of it and just try and think of all the things I have been trying to do and move forward and go for it this cycle I think.

It is normal to feel blah/ negative sometimes. ❤
I was worried about my egg quality too because I was told that I had a weak ovulation last cycle. I am a bit worried because of late ovulation. Otherwise, I am fine because I started taking prenatal vitamins last April. As long as you keep taking them every day and it has been 3 months already, I wouldn't worry about it.
In the first cycle after CP, any baby pictures posted by my friends on facebook triggered me.
In the second cycle after CP, a girl who had a CP after me got a BFP posted a new thread which also made me feel blah. I actually posted on her CP thread when it happened because she didn't know what to expect. Then a few week later, she posted another thread about her BFP straight after CP. You see, I also had negative moments like how you are feeling today.

Now here I am in the third cycle after CP, I don't think they can trigger me anymore. It is true when people say time heals all wounds. Talking to people here and posting threads about CP/other MCs/OPKs definitely speeded up my healing process. When I got my AF last cycle, I realised that life was too short and precious and also I didn't have enough energy to look back. It does getter better every day and we just need time to heal. I have been there before and now I am free.
This thread is not only for sharing data but also feelings. I will be here and try my best to answer any questions.

Also please don't compare yourself to others and remember this: NEVER LOOK BACK. 😀
It might be better not to see your best friend for a while because it might make you more upset. You could explain this to her and I am super sure that she would understand and be willing to listen to you, just like everyone here on mumsnet.