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To stop MIL interfering with our nanny?

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marinym · Today 14:45

My MIL comes over once a week to see the children and apparently help out. She lives about an hour and a half away and makes the journey herself. We have never asked her to do this. She actually said to DH that she doesn’t feel she’s getting the full grandma experience because she doesn’t help with the children enough so that’s now it started.

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

When MIL comes over the nanny is still there doing her job. MIL gets to take the baby out or bake banana bread with our eldest while the nanny does everything else and cleans up afterwards. So MIL gets the fun bits and the nanny deals with the aftermath. If the baking turns into a complete disaster the nanny is the one cleaning banana off the kitchen cupboards. If there’s a poonami the nanny changes it whilst MIL has a cup of tea. I don’t mind this arrangement at all. I think we all understand that we could manage perfectly well without her being there but there’s no need to point that out if it makes her feel better.

Recently MIL has started telling our nanny how to do her job. Not anything particularly serious but lots of little comments about how she should be doing things differently when the nanny is simply following our instructions. For example we expect our children to tidy up one activity (to the extent that they can at their ages) before getting another out. MIL will say things like “Oh don’t make her do that. Grandma’s only here for a little while so let her enjoy herself.” The nanny just says she’s following our instructions and carries on. I’ve told her not to get into a discussion about it. Just smile, say she’s following her employers’ instructions and carry on as normal. Same thing with the baby. We give him vitamins and MIL has told the nanny that she shouldn’t be doing that because babies should get everything they need from food. The nanny is following our instructions. If MIL has a problem with what we decide for our children she can speak to us about it rather than telling the nanny what she should or shouldn’t be doing.

She also makes odd comments about that I feed her “little boy” (aka my over-40yo DH). If we’re having leftovers from the night before MIL will say things like “You’re not all eating leftovers, are you? I can come and cook for you if you’re struggling”. We’re not struggling, we’re using time effectively and cooking for 2 days.
Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?” Well he’s not living at home now is he? He’s living with me and our children and I’m not running a restaurant where everyone gets a separate meal. I cook what works for the family. If we’re having curry twice because there’s enough left over then that’s what we’re having. If I know kids will eat salmon as a fillet better than in a fish cake, then we’ll have that. If I tell her this it’s “aw I understand, I just know how much he used to like his food” as if I’m malnourishing him. And for the record, we eat home cooked meals every day, it’s either myself or the nanny cooking (DH often finishes later than I do) and DH actually seems to enjoy it, will often have seconds after everyone has eaten or request a repeat of what we’ve previously made.

DH is much more diplomatic than I am. He’ll say something like “Maybe I like it now Mum” or “It’s just easier to cook something we’ll all eat” but also she rarely makes the comments in front of him, usually just to me and nanny. He does stand up for us and I don’t want to give the impression that he doesn’t but he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

I’ve also told DH that I’m not comfortable leaving MIL alone with the children. He agrees that’s fair so the nanny is always there. I don’t particularly trust MIL’s judgement and I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid an awkward conversation.

Whilst I think it’s lovely that she wants a relationship with the children and I appreciate the effort of travelling 3hrs total once a week, we don’t actually need her help. I do think she needs to understand that being Grandma doesn’t make her the boss of our household. DH thinks we should keep things diplomatic and let the nanny carry on ignoring the comments. I think that’s fine up to a point, that point has been reached for me, and I’d like to say something. Our nanny already has the patience of a saint and I don’t see why she should put up with someone getting in the way of her doing her job.

AIBU to say that she either needs to stick to her role of being a guest or the visits will become a lot more rare?

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Byron1990 · Today 14:51

I was on the receiving end of an overbearing MIL when I was a nanny and honestly it was just water of a ducks back. It sounds like your nanny is handling it graciously and it’s unlikely your MIL will change. If it’s only once a week and it facilitates her relationship with her grandchildren in a way that is not too disruptive to you I would leave it

maggisimpson · Today 14:51

Your nanny's probably looking for a new job already.

takealettermsjones · Today 14:54

I think you need to sit down with your husband and point out that, while he's fine with being diplomatic and keeping the peace, that's because she's his mother and he loves her. The nanny has no such family ties, and if this becomes an unpleasant work environment for her, then you risk losing a really good nanny. You really need to get him on side because MIL needs some boundaries and from what you've said, I don't think it will go well if they come from you.

MBL · Today 14:54

maggisimpson · Today 14:51

Your nanny's probably looking for a new job already.

Or not. They are less emotionally invested in the whole situation. She probably thinks, silly old bat and forgets about it.

TinyBlueDent · Today 14:55

I voted YABU based on this paragraph -

he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

Do you have an Antipodean directness? Whatever your cultural background, rein in the rudeness otherwise you'll become the DIL from hell.

YANBU to feel the way you do but you would be unreasonable to express it rudely.

Sally2791 · Today 14:56

It doesn’t sound horrendous and it’s great that she’s wanting to be involved with the children. Probably worth grinning and bearing it.

OffTheMap · Today 14:58

So without these visits, when would your MIL see her grandchildren?

You repeat that you don't need her help, but there is more to being a grandparent than being needed for help.

Do you visit her at weekends? Would you welcome weekend visits from her?

FlowersInPots · Today 14:59

Are you there to when she’s there with the nanny? If yes, respond there and then along the lines of ‘we’ve asked her to do that.’

I think diplomacy is the way to go as she isn’t doing anything that bad. Annoying yes, but she doesn’t sound like a bad grandparent so I wouldn’t be direct or threaten that she won’t be welcome.

Also, I don’t think for a second MIL is coming to genuinely help. She’s coming to spend time being a grandma, building her relationship with your dc but she’s calling it help in the hope that means she can keep coming (my dm used to do similar).

Do you ever go and visit her? Can you maybe swap one of her visits to you and do something with her on a weekend - go to hers or a day out? That way she’s not in your house and without that annoyance, you may all have a nice time together.

As for the nanny, check in on her and make sure she knows to come to you if MIL is bothering her.

Lastly, any comments about your DH, ignore ignore ignore. I don’t know her so don’t know her tone or if she’s trying to push your buttons but if you just repeat ‘oh really’ and move on hopefully she’ll get the hint.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 15:00

Your MIL sounds pretty unbearable. It's good that your nanny takes her criticisms in her stride but it's still very rude of your MIL to make these comments. She sounds like she's the lady of the manor ordering her servents about.

Would your DH be upset if you stopped or reduced the number of visits from your MIL?

ColdAsAWitches · Today 15:01

I don't understand why you wouldn't leave your kids with her. The only example of not trusting your judgment is her not giving them vitamins. I think that's a massive overreaction, unless there's something else your're not saying. Which I doubt.

As someone else points out, there's more to being a grandparent than helping you out. Let her develop a bond with your kids without having someone watch her all the time. And unclench a little, it's only a couple of hours a week.

Sotiredimightreallydie · Today 15:02

You say the nanny is like an extra grandparent, but you are making their actual grandparent seem unwelcome. Let her spend time with the kind and be a grandparent. I don't get why she has to be babysat by the nanny. Let her build up a relationship with the kids and a bone. She will love them far more than any paid childcare or after school club will.

You also sound very rude and unpleasant to her.

doodleygirl · Today 15:02

I think you sound quite nasty. Your MIL wants a relationship with her grandchildren and is pro active in doing so.

Raindropskeepfallingon · Today 15:02

She’s completely unreasonable to be interfering and bossing your nanny around, but I can sympathise with a woman whose son’s family apparently love a paid employee as a second Grandma but barely hide their disdain for her. She sounds like she’s trying, and failing, to find her place in your family. That’s apparently not providing childcare or being helpful to you - but do you visit her? Invite her on days out?

SpryCat · Today 15:04

Your nanny is employed to look after your children and MIL is deliberately trying to undermine you and the nanny. I would be worried that if one of the children had an accident MIL would go ballistic and not only would it scare the kids but the nanny would walk out. If they were in nursery she wouldn’t be allowed to stay and try to interfere so why should the nanny have to put up with her.

goodnessidontknow · Today 15:06

Having experienced this from the nanny's perspective, please check in with her! Having a grandparent there so regularly is usually difficult. I had a grandma visit for the afternoon about once every 3 weeks, she was very involved and perfectly pleasant but it did make more work for me and was awkward, especially when it was sprung on me in the morning. Every week would have had me tearing my hair out. I used to plan for things to do out of the house to minimise disruption and the need to make polite conversation.

Excited101 · Today 15:07

I wouldn’t be at all happy with that as a nanny. If you want to accommodate MIL then get her to come at the weekend so they nanny doesn’t have to deal with her. It’s not her job.

SummerInSun · Today 15:07

If the nanny is unhappy, upset, or thinking of leaving, you or your DH needs to say something. If not, I’d leave it alone. None of your examples are anything other than minor annoyances, which will be normal in any family. Just calmly tell her what you’ve told us “we all enjoy salmon fillets”, “we like to make double of our favourite dishes so we can have them two nights in one week”, etc. She just wants to feel needed and wanted, and your grandchildren are lucky to have an involved loving grandmother they get to see so regularly. That will become more and more valuable as they grow older. Also, children are very good at understanding very early that grandparents may allow something that parents may not, and as long as it’s something minor like an extra ice cream or not being quite so strict on tidying once in a while, that’s just nice for their relationship.

MyKindHiker · Today 15:08

It's annoying but bite your lip! My MiL exactly the same when my kids were smaller. Fast forward a bit and one day she just got too old to do the trip and be as "hands on" (air quotes intentional, as we all know our nanny was doing the lifting). Now we only see her when we make the journey to go visit which is way more of a faff with us both working full time meaning we have to give up weekends to visit... believe me her turning up midweek is easier for you! One day she'll be too old and soon enough anyway kids will be in school and have activities and parties one weekend to the next and you'll go months at a time without seeing her.

Just stay close to your nanny and make sure she's ok with it. We did have one quit over her annoyance at being bossed around.

The comments about your husband - again just ignore. I have bitten back a lot over the years and it's really harmed our relationship. We used to be good friends and now there's just bad feeling as she doesn't mean anything by the comments she makes really. In the end it's me that's now missing out on that relationship, and as it's me that's going to have to help looking after her when she's properly infirm I just feel like I should have kept the peace more.

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · Today 15:08

If it was just you and not too often I'd say grin and bear it, but I wouldn't put up with someone undermining my employee (apologies to nannies if that isn't the right word).

Her son should tell her to stop interfering with the nanny and direct any concerns or suggestions to him. If he doesn't want to do it then he can't complain about you having a word.

marinym · Today 15:09

@TinyBlueDent
Antipodean? No, just not British enough to pretend I’m delighted when someone tells me how to run my own household 😂
I do appreciate that she makes the effort to come and see the children, and I’m happy for her to enjoy being Grandma. I just think there’s a difference between being involved and having an opinion (and voicing it!) on absolutely everything. I’m sure I could be a bit more diplomatic at times, but equally, I don’t think being a DIL means I have to smile and nod at everything either.

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tripleginandtonic · Today 15:12

Byron1990 · Today 14:51

I was on the receiving end of an overbearing MIL when I was a nanny and honestly it was just water of a ducks back. It sounds like your nanny is handling it graciously and it’s unlikely your MIL will change. If it’s only once a week and it facilitates her relationship with her grandchildren in a way that is not too disruptive to you I would leave it

This Minir problem and you're getting yourself get worried up over them.

PauseButton · Today 15:13

I'd be tempted to give the nanny the day off tbh. See how grandma feels about 'helping' one day a week when it's her having to clear up the banana or the poonami. Perhaps then she'll appreciate the nanny a bit more and lay off. Not if you think the children would be unsafe of course.

Notonthestairs · Today 15:13

Does your husband visit your MIL regularly? Can he go with the children for a regular time with her at the weekends.

Pallisers · Today 15:16

I'd talk to your nanny and ask her how she feels about MIL dropping in/commenting etc. If she doesn't mind then I'd stop stressing about it. If she finds it awkward then take it from there. Personally I don't think I'd like it as a nanny but then I've never been a nanny.

With regard to the other comments I'd just literally ignore. She says "oh he prefers fishcakes" you say "did you see the review of Sense and Sensibility - it sounds interesting" Just don't give it any traction. Anyway your dh sounds like he has it under control.

sittingonabeach · Today 15:17

How often do you see her outside these visits @marinym

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