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To stop MIL interfering with our nanny?

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marinym · Yesterday 14:45

My MIL comes over once a week to see the children and apparently help out. She lives about an hour and a half away and makes the journey herself. We have never asked her to do this. She actually said to DH that she doesn’t feel she’s getting the full grandma experience because she doesn’t help with the children enough so that’s now it started.

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

When MIL comes over the nanny is still there doing her job. MIL gets to take the baby out or bake banana bread with our eldest while the nanny does everything else and cleans up afterwards. So MIL gets the fun bits and the nanny deals with the aftermath. If the baking turns into a complete disaster the nanny is the one cleaning banana off the kitchen cupboards. If there’s a poonami the nanny changes it whilst MIL has a cup of tea. I don’t mind this arrangement at all. I think we all understand that we could manage perfectly well without her being there but there’s no need to point that out if it makes her feel better.

Recently MIL has started telling our nanny how to do her job. Not anything particularly serious but lots of little comments about how she should be doing things differently when the nanny is simply following our instructions. For example we expect our children to tidy up one activity (to the extent that they can at their ages) before getting another out. MIL will say things like “Oh don’t make her do that. Grandma’s only here for a little while so let her enjoy herself.” The nanny just says she’s following our instructions and carries on. I’ve told her not to get into a discussion about it. Just smile, say she’s following her employers’ instructions and carry on as normal. Same thing with the baby. We give him vitamins and MIL has told the nanny that she shouldn’t be doing that because babies should get everything they need from food. The nanny is following our instructions. If MIL has a problem with what we decide for our children she can speak to us about it rather than telling the nanny what she should or shouldn’t be doing.

She also makes odd comments about that I feed her “little boy” (aka my over-40yo DH). If we’re having leftovers from the night before MIL will say things like “You’re not all eating leftovers, are you? I can come and cook for you if you’re struggling”. We’re not struggling, we’re using time effectively and cooking for 2 days.
Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?” Well he’s not living at home now is he? He’s living with me and our children and I’m not running a restaurant where everyone gets a separate meal. I cook what works for the family. If we’re having curry twice because there’s enough left over then that’s what we’re having. If I know kids will eat salmon as a fillet better than in a fish cake, then we’ll have that. If I tell her this it’s “aw I understand, I just know how much he used to like his food” as if I’m malnourishing him. And for the record, we eat home cooked meals every day, it’s either myself or the nanny cooking (DH often finishes later than I do) and DH actually seems to enjoy it, will often have seconds after everyone has eaten or request a repeat of what we’ve previously made.

DH is much more diplomatic than I am. He’ll say something like “Maybe I like it now Mum” or “It’s just easier to cook something we’ll all eat” but also she rarely makes the comments in front of him, usually just to me and nanny. He does stand up for us and I don’t want to give the impression that he doesn’t but he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

I’ve also told DH that I’m not comfortable leaving MIL alone with the children. He agrees that’s fair so the nanny is always there. I don’t particularly trust MIL’s judgement and I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid an awkward conversation.

Whilst I think it’s lovely that she wants a relationship with the children and I appreciate the effort of travelling 3hrs total once a week, we don’t actually need her help. I do think she needs to understand that being Grandma doesn’t make her the boss of our household. DH thinks we should keep things diplomatic and let the nanny carry on ignoring the comments. I think that’s fine up to a point, that point has been reached for me, and I’d like to say something. Our nanny already has the patience of a saint and I don’t see why she should put up with someone getting in the way of her doing her job.

AIBU to say that she either needs to stick to her role of being a guest or the visits will become a lot more rare?

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GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:57

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

OVienna · Yesterday 15:57

Momon45 · Yesterday 15:56

Yes the OP sounds difficult . I imagine she'd rather the MIL didn't come at all . Some of it sound like jealousy .

I'd question the OP not letting the GM look after them on her own.

She is NBU about the other stuff.

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:58

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

WildLeader · Yesterday 15:58

@marinym she doesn’t want to visit, she wants to help.

ok, but you don’t want her help and you’re perfectly entitled to tell her so. “Mil, I understand that you think you’re helping, but that’s not what is happening and it’s causing issues with the person who is hired to do the help we need. We want you to visit, and if we need something from you, we will ask, but you’re forcing yourself on the household, criticising and commenting and creating work for the nanny, that’s not help. It will damage our relationship if it continues and I don’t want that. I want you here as a guest/visitor/gm, nothing more.”

WildLeader · Yesterday 16:00

What’s the worst that can happen? She has a huff and backs off?

win-win.

you need to stop the weekly visits.

C8H10N4O2 · Yesterday 16:00

TinyBlueDent · Yesterday 14:55

I voted YABU based on this paragraph -

he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

Do you have an Antipodean directness? Whatever your cultural background, rein in the rudeness otherwise you'll become the DIL from hell.

YANBU to feel the way you do but you would be unreasonable to express it rudely.

Really? "Be kind" and play doormat to the uninvited visitor who intrudes every week to interfere with her employee and complain that the (full time working) OP isn't making precious boy's fishcakes and with whom she cooks for two nights at a time? I'm all for rolling eyes and letting comments wash over me but this is way beyond that.

There is a time for "be kind' and there is a time for standing your ground. Most people would have put a stop to someone inviting themselves and interfering with a highly valued employee long ago.

OP of course has a DH problem - his desire for the easy life with his DM means the OP has to put up with the snarky comments and deal with the fall out if the nanny decides she has had enough of having extra work piled on her for a day every week. If DHs in this situation were willing to be just a bit less "diplomatic" we would have far less OPs having do deal with their fallout.

Being direct != being rude. Its a very odd assumption to make.

readingmakesmehappy · Yesterday 16:00

I think you need to reframe it. She’s not coming to help, she’s coming to spend time with her grandchildren. That’s really nice and hopefully it means they will have a close relationship. In future perhaps they can go and spend the weekend at hers (how I would love GPs mine could do that with).

She does need to understand though that if it’s happening at your house then it’s happening under your rules, and that she doesn’t get to instruct your nanny, and it’s your DH’s responsibility to convey that.

Topseyt123 · Yesterday 16:03

Your MIL does need to rein it in with her comments undermining the nanny. Nanny is being diplomatic in the way she has raised things with you, but she wouldn't have raised it at all if she wasn't unhappy with the situation. Don't kid yourself there. She could already be looking for a way out.

I'd restrict MIL's visits to weekends and Bank Holidays. That is still a fair bit.

Just thinking about your phraseology on this thread though. MIL could be envious of the nanny and that could be at the root of so much of this. I do hope you haven't been referring to the nanny as a substitute grandma in front of either MIL or the children. That would be a very tone deaf thing to do. It could get back to MIL and it would be hurtful.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · Yesterday 16:03

I think that it's not fair on the nanny. It's her job, and someone not directly connected to her job is constantly criticising her that has a personal relationship with her employer. I think that's putting her in a really awkward position. It's like Mike from accounts coming over and incorrectly telling you that your sales pitch is missing the mark, because when he was in sales 35 years ago (before he realised he never sold anything ans switched to numbers) he did it differently. And normally you'd tell Mike to fuck off and point out why his suggestions won't work, but Mike is best friends with your manager and is going out with him after work. So you just say 'well manager wants it done this way, must get on, I'm mega busy' instead of what you really think.

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 16:03

Momon45 · Yesterday 15:56

Yes the OP sounds difficult . I imagine she'd rather the MIL didn't come at all . Some of it sound like jealousy .

Jealousy about what? Why on earth would OP be jealous of her MIL?

This is all for MIL's benefit. She's not offering childcare as OP has a full-time nanny and I doubt that MIL would want the to do the practical stuff of keeping the baby clean and fed. She just wants all the fun bits and doesn't even need to clean up after herself. I couldn't be bothered with it, particularly as it is now upsetting the nanny and OP really doesn't want to lose her.

OVienna · Yesterday 16:03

We need @blondeshavemorefun on this thread to opine!

Sassylovesbooks · Yesterday 16:04

I don't think you're being unreasonable OP. Your MIL needs to stop interfering with the Nanny. It's not your MIL's place to make comments to the Nanny, when all she's doing is following your instructions. I definitely think you need to check-in with your Nanny, and make sure she's happy to handle your MIL though.

You can still be direct with your MIL but in a polite way. Sometimes it's better to be direct, because there's less chance of your MIL misunderstanding! I'd wait until your MIL makes a comment in front of you though, otherwise your MIL might assume your Nanny has been complaining, and that could make it awkward for her.

Your husband needs to stop being passive though. I appreciate he does say something to his Mum, but it's not enough to shut her up! He can absolutely be firmer with her and still be polite.

Dohraymefar · Yesterday 16:05

These are times your DC will look back on fondly - baking and playing games with Granny. It is cementing a happy inter-generational relationship and your DC will thank you for it.

Your MIL is clearly devoted, driving 3 hrs a week. She may not be able to do that for too much longer so why not let them enjoy it once a week.

Mapletree1985 · Yesterday 16:08

I hope your MIL finds some other worthy children to adopt as grandchildren and leave her money to, since you've made it abundantly clear you neither need nor want her. You oh-so-graciously allow her to come over, I guess because you don't want to be a complete Amanda, but you've pretty much spelled it out to her that she is surplus to requirements.

DewDropsAndCobWebs · Yesterday 16:11

I just want to say what a great nanny you have, and it's great to hear you two have such open dialog.
As an ex nanny it makes my heart happy

marinym · Yesterday 16:13

@PauseButton We have actually tried something similar! The nanny had to work later one evening on a “grandma day” so we gave her a break and £50 to get herself dinner or a snack at the coffee shop overlooking the park while MIL had 2 of the children (the baby slept). MIL struggled even with that (it was tiring swinging them for too long, they got sandy in the sand which she didn’t like and just generally being kids), brought the kids into the coffee shop, bought them cake just so they would sit down and asked the nanny if she would take long. So yes, we’ve had a little preview of how the full grandma shift might go. Not well.

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KaleidoscopeSmile · Yesterday 16:13

I love the way that when OPs are talking about their MiLs, they always shove a few little extras in there just in case they haven't made them sound bad enough.

I'm mean that story about the salmon and the fishcake has me almost sobbing and shaking on OP's behalf.

TFImBackIn · Yesterday 16:14

Why doesn't she take the children out for a couple of hours on her own? The nanny could make something for their lunch and disappear to the shops while the kids are eating. I think your MIL would be happy to go home after that - it doesn't sound as though she wants to actually look after them, but more likes the idea of looking after them.

I don't think your nanny should put up with her comments - that would drive me mad if I were her. Pay her more or let her get out of the house when your MIL is there.

TFImBackIn · Yesterday 16:15

I think I've cross-posted with your last post, sorry.

marinym · Yesterday 16:15

@Mapletree1985leave what money? The car we bought her or the money saved on not paying for her holidays as we’ve treated her to most of her trips in the last 10 years? 😂

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C8H10N4O2 · Yesterday 16:16

Mapletree1985 · Yesterday 16:08

I hope your MIL finds some other worthy children to adopt as grandchildren and leave her money to, since you've made it abundantly clear you neither need nor want her. You oh-so-graciously allow her to come over, I guess because you don't want to be a complete Amanda, but you've pretty much spelled it out to her that she is surplus to requirements.

What a ridiculous overreaction.

When my DC were small the nanny was a critical part of our lives. Any adult demanding to spend a day every week making more work for her, criticising her and trying to overrule our guidelines for her would have had their invite rescinded. Bluntly she was too valuable to lose in the cause of "being kind" to someone who had no intention of filling the gap left.

If the MiL wants to keep visiting then the DH needs to have a straight conversation with her or stop the visits. Ideally they work out a plan where eg the DGM takes out or spends time with one child (without creating a mess for the nanny) leaving the nanny with the other child and background tasks. However the DH doesn't sound likely to step up and an adult behaving in this way is unlikely to change.

TFImBackIn · Yesterday 16:18

I'm a grandmother and look after my GC twice a week, both full days. It's hard work! I can see that this MIL wants just the nice bits but you can't do that. I never leave without everything being tidy and clean - it's really unfair to arrive somewhere that's all nice, have the kids wreck it and then leave it to someone else to deal with. It sounds really as though this MIL would just like them for an hour while they sit and play quietly - any longer and if they make any demands, she wants to go. That's fair enough - she needs to just call in at the weekend, instead. I don't suppose you want that, though!

malefields · Yesterday 16:19

My situation was different because my nanny was (and still is) a family friend and lived in the same street as my grandma, but I can’t imagine it would be fair on her to have to deal with an imposing grandma who won’t even change a nappy.

Yes, she’s paid to be there, but really she’s not paid to be there with added interference. It’s a tricky spot.

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