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To stop MIL interfering with our nanny?

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marinym · Yesterday 14:45

My MIL comes over once a week to see the children and apparently help out. She lives about an hour and a half away and makes the journey herself. We have never asked her to do this. She actually said to DH that she doesn’t feel she’s getting the full grandma experience because she doesn’t help with the children enough so that’s now it started.

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

When MIL comes over the nanny is still there doing her job. MIL gets to take the baby out or bake banana bread with our eldest while the nanny does everything else and cleans up afterwards. So MIL gets the fun bits and the nanny deals with the aftermath. If the baking turns into a complete disaster the nanny is the one cleaning banana off the kitchen cupboards. If there’s a poonami the nanny changes it whilst MIL has a cup of tea. I don’t mind this arrangement at all. I think we all understand that we could manage perfectly well without her being there but there’s no need to point that out if it makes her feel better.

Recently MIL has started telling our nanny how to do her job. Not anything particularly serious but lots of little comments about how she should be doing things differently when the nanny is simply following our instructions. For example we expect our children to tidy up one activity (to the extent that they can at their ages) before getting another out. MIL will say things like “Oh don’t make her do that. Grandma’s only here for a little while so let her enjoy herself.” The nanny just says she’s following our instructions and carries on. I’ve told her not to get into a discussion about it. Just smile, say she’s following her employers’ instructions and carry on as normal. Same thing with the baby. We give him vitamins and MIL has told the nanny that she shouldn’t be doing that because babies should get everything they need from food. The nanny is following our instructions. If MIL has a problem with what we decide for our children she can speak to us about it rather than telling the nanny what she should or shouldn’t be doing.

She also makes odd comments about that I feed her “little boy” (aka my over-40yo DH). If we’re having leftovers from the night before MIL will say things like “You’re not all eating leftovers, are you? I can come and cook for you if you’re struggling”. We’re not struggling, we’re using time effectively and cooking for 2 days.
Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?” Well he’s not living at home now is he? He’s living with me and our children and I’m not running a restaurant where everyone gets a separate meal. I cook what works for the family. If we’re having curry twice because there’s enough left over then that’s what we’re having. If I know kids will eat salmon as a fillet better than in a fish cake, then we’ll have that. If I tell her this it’s “aw I understand, I just know how much he used to like his food” as if I’m malnourishing him. And for the record, we eat home cooked meals every day, it’s either myself or the nanny cooking (DH often finishes later than I do) and DH actually seems to enjoy it, will often have seconds after everyone has eaten or request a repeat of what we’ve previously made.

DH is much more diplomatic than I am. He’ll say something like “Maybe I like it now Mum” or “It’s just easier to cook something we’ll all eat” but also she rarely makes the comments in front of him, usually just to me and nanny. He does stand up for us and I don’t want to give the impression that he doesn’t but he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

I’ve also told DH that I’m not comfortable leaving MIL alone with the children. He agrees that’s fair so the nanny is always there. I don’t particularly trust MIL’s judgement and I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid an awkward conversation.

Whilst I think it’s lovely that she wants a relationship with the children and I appreciate the effort of travelling 3hrs total once a week, we don’t actually need her help. I do think she needs to understand that being Grandma doesn’t make her the boss of our household. DH thinks we should keep things diplomatic and let the nanny carry on ignoring the comments. I think that’s fine up to a point, that point has been reached for me, and I’d like to say something. Our nanny already has the patience of a saint and I don’t see why she should put up with someone getting in the way of her doing her job.

AIBU to say that she either needs to stick to her role of being a guest or the visits will become a lot more rare?

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cheesymarmite · Yesterday 16:24

You mentioned multiple times that you don’t NEED her but providing needed childcare isnt the only reason it’s great for children to get to spend time with their grandparents.
tbh it sounds to me that you just don’t really like her and yes maybe she is a bit annoying and makes some unwanted comments (grandparents often do!) but she’s your kids granny and it’s nice she wants to be involved. I’d be interested to hear her side…

Katypp · Yesterday 16:25

I am getting an inkling that OP doesn't like her MIL much 😂
It's such a shame that men come with a mother, thus ensuring his wife is never the only woman in his life. Unless she can convice him that his mother is not to be trusted by niggling about utter trivia. A bit like the misdemenours in this thread. Making banana bread, indeed!
This thread has 'I am the alpha female here' written all over it.

OVienna · Yesterday 16:26

Mapletree1985 · Yesterday 16:08

I hope your MIL finds some other worthy children to adopt as grandchildren and leave her money to, since you've made it abundantly clear you neither need nor want her. You oh-so-graciously allow her to come over, I guess because you don't want to be a complete Amanda, but you've pretty much spelled it out to her that she is surplus to requirements.

Chippy, much? Goodness!

C8H10N4O2 · Yesterday 16:27

TFImBackIn · Yesterday 16:18

I'm a grandmother and look after my GC twice a week, both full days. It's hard work! I can see that this MIL wants just the nice bits but you can't do that. I never leave without everything being tidy and clean - it's really unfair to arrive somewhere that's all nice, have the kids wreck it and then leave it to someone else to deal with. It sounds really as though this MIL would just like them for an hour while they sit and play quietly - any longer and if they make any demands, she wants to go. That's fair enough - she needs to just call in at the weekend, instead. I don't suppose you want that, though!

Yes this is the issue - she doesn't want to do the messy stuff because she has "had her turn" at that but the two go together. She has also had her turn of the fun bits.

I scaled back work a year or two back - partly scaling back a bit in the years running up to retirement, partly to help with then impending DGC. I don't have full days care like you - more helping with whatever needs doing in the house, enabling their DM to get an uninterrupted shower or dental trip or simply hang the washing out. There is still plenty of fun time in that but the idea of marching into one of their houses and making a mess for "the staff" to clean up, giving out contradictory orders to a nanny - its absurd and not remotely helpful to anyone.

marinym · Yesterday 16:28

Topseyt123 I can assure you the nanny isn’t looking for a way out. We’ve known her for nearly seven years, so I know her pretty well by now, she’s been on holiday with us, I’ve spent every one of my mat leaves seeing her daily. We’ve helped her and her family out over the years and she’s gone above and beyond for us too. There’s a lot of mutual affection and trust there. Obviously she’s employed by us and nothing is guaranteed, but I know the person she is and I genuinely don’t think she’s secretly planning her escape! We’d both have enough respect for each other to inform each other before seeking a new job or new nanny.

No, we don’t call her a replacement grandma to MIL or the children. The sentiment is there even if we don’t name it or discuss it though. The children get excited when they know she’s coming on holiday with us, make her birthday presents without being prompted, have their own little in-jokes with her and look forward to days that she stays overnight (if my husband is on a business trip and I need the help). I can see that she genuinely loves the kids too, and it’s understandable given she’s helped to raise them from babies and has seen them every day. That’s not to say they love her more than their parents or their actual grandparents, it’s simply a lovely relationship that’s developed over years of spending so much time together.

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C152 · Yesterday 16:28

I'd be worried about losing such a good nanny. I know she said she will put up with it, as long as you're happy with the way she's handing your MIL's comments but...

Tbh, I would revert to mutually convenient visits once a month.

OVienna · Yesterday 16:28

Katypp · Yesterday 16:25

I am getting an inkling that OP doesn't like her MIL much 😂
It's such a shame that men come with a mother, thus ensuring his wife is never the only woman in his life. Unless she can convice him that his mother is not to be trusted by niggling about utter trivia. A bit like the misdemenours in this thread. Making banana bread, indeed!
This thread has 'I am the alpha female here' written all over it.

This is complete bullshit.

The nanny is just trying to do her job - she WORKS for the OP's family and OP and her DH have the same requirement to provide reasonable working conditions for her as any other employer in the land.

Being imposed upon every week by someone who is not her employer is not on.

How would you like coming to work every week and having someone who was not your employer breathing over your shoulder and creating even more work for you?!

C8H10N4O2 · Yesterday 16:30

Katypp · Yesterday 16:25

I am getting an inkling that OP doesn't like her MIL much 😂
It's such a shame that men come with a mother, thus ensuring his wife is never the only woman in his life. Unless she can convice him that his mother is not to be trusted by niggling about utter trivia. A bit like the misdemenours in this thread. Making banana bread, indeed!
This thread has 'I am the alpha female here' written all over it.

Making banana bread is not the problem. Leaving a fucking great mess in the kitchen and expecting the nanny to clean up after her is the problem. That isn't being a DGM its bloody rude not to clean up after yourself.

Criticising the nanny and trying to overrule the parents' wishes, generally making her life more difficult risks the nanny losing patience with it and handing in her notice.

It doesn't matter who the adult behaving like this is - its rude, self-centred and making life difficult for the objects of all this "help".

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BillieWiper · Yesterday 16:32

Tell nanny she has full carte blanche to officially smilingly tell MIL to bugger off.

That her employer instructed her to say those exact words and you do not want her offering any feedback regarding her nannying standards.

cupfinalchaos · Yesterday 16:35

Annoying but look at the bigger picture. Your kids are building a relationship with someone who loves them and wants to invest in them. Ignore the comments about your dh.. your mil probably knows she’s overstepping.

FlowerVases · Yesterday 16:35

I would give nanny time off if Nan is in the house. No need for both and Nana can do her own tidying up and change a nanny.

marinym · Yesterday 16:36

@readingmakesmehappy The thing is, it’s quite hard to explain because it’s not one big thing, it’s lots of little comments on why it’s “help” and can’t be framed as a visit. She’ll message after a visit saying how pleased she is that she’s been able to help, or make little remarks about how she’s always helping us. We’ve gently said before that if she’s tired or it’s too much of a journey she really doesn’t need to come because we manage perfectly well, and she gets a bit miffed when we say that. So we’ve fallen into the habit of thanking her for all the help and letting her have that feeling of being needed. I think it’s an ego thing, and honestly, there’s no harm in that. We’re not going to spell out that we don’t actually need the help just to make a point. The arrangement works fine until she starts telling our nanny how to do her job, which is where I draw the line.

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Laurmolonlabe · Yesterday 16:39

I think you need some boundaries- it sounds like it's extending all the time, tell she cannot tell the nanny what to do- she has her instructions from you and your complete confidence. I think your DH "being diplomatic" is the problem.
As to what you feed your husband, that is absolutely none of her business- why does she even know what you are having, she should have left to leave you to your private life by then- wanting a relationship with her grandchildren is one thing, interfering in your private life is quite another- don't explain yourself , just close her down and send her home.

ChihuahuaChica · Yesterday 16:41

I think it's really unfair om your nanny to have to put up with your MIL every week, if she really is as bad as you say.

marinym · Yesterday 16:43

BillieWiper · Yesterday 16:32

Tell nanny she has full carte blanche to officially smilingly tell MIL to bugger off.

That her employer instructed her to say those exact words and you do not want her offering any feedback regarding her nannying standards.

Edited

So so tempted to do this.
DH would disapprove

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CleverlyBeery · Yesterday 16:46

Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?”

Hahaha, this cannot be true - I am laughing out loud at this!

Lizzieregina · Yesterday 16:47

I’ve been a nanny and I’d be the ex nanny if I had to deal with this nonsense once a week.

I even had these kinds of conversations with parents before I took jobs. The only way I would have dealt with this would be leaving granny to it while I left the premises. And I wouldn’t be cleaning up her messes when I got back either.

FlowerVases · Yesterday 16:53

marinym · Yesterday 16:36

@readingmakesmehappy The thing is, it’s quite hard to explain because it’s not one big thing, it’s lots of little comments on why it’s “help” and can’t be framed as a visit. She’ll message after a visit saying how pleased she is that she’s been able to help, or make little remarks about how she’s always helping us. We’ve gently said before that if she’s tired or it’s too much of a journey she really doesn’t need to come because we manage perfectly well, and she gets a bit miffed when we say that. So we’ve fallen into the habit of thanking her for all the help and letting her have that feeling of being needed. I think it’s an ego thing, and honestly, there’s no harm in that. We’re not going to spell out that we don’t actually need the help just to make a point. The arrangement works fine until she starts telling our nanny how to do her job, which is where I draw the line.

Stop being gentle and stop thanking her.

Let the nanny have some time off. Nan might be less happy to come once a week if she has a reel responsibility for the children.

disturbia · Yesterday 16:55

She obviously loves seeing her her grand children to make a 3 hour round trip each week but shouldn't be telling your Nanny what to do. Maybe her son could tell her that in a gentle way.

Mischance · Yesterday 16:59

her “little boy” - made me chuckle.

It sounds as if the nanny is handling this just fine - maybe just check in with her to make sure it is not too much of a pain from her end.

Looking at this from the outside, there are massively worse tings that MIL could be doing/saying!

As long as the nanny is coping then I would simply go with the flow if I were you. It's not as if it is every day or she is living with you.

I think that humour can be very helpful here; "He's a big boy now - I am sure he would speak up if he thought he was being starved!"

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 17:00

marinym · Yesterday 16:36

@readingmakesmehappy The thing is, it’s quite hard to explain because it’s not one big thing, it’s lots of little comments on why it’s “help” and can’t be framed as a visit. She’ll message after a visit saying how pleased she is that she’s been able to help, or make little remarks about how she’s always helping us. We’ve gently said before that if she’s tired or it’s too much of a journey she really doesn’t need to come because we manage perfectly well, and she gets a bit miffed when we say that. So we’ve fallen into the habit of thanking her for all the help and letting her have that feeling of being needed. I think it’s an ego thing, and honestly, there’s no harm in that. We’re not going to spell out that we don’t actually need the help just to make a point. The arrangement works fine until she starts telling our nanny how to do her job, which is where I draw the line.

I bet she boasts to all her friends how indispensable she is and how you couldn't manage without her! I would imagine that she also tells them how she needs to keep an eye on the nanny to ensure that her high standards are met.

She sounds pretty unbearable. She's lucky that you put up with it so that you don't upset your husband who seems to view her through rose-coloured glasses.

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 17:09

She's your children's grandmother and your husband's mum, cut her some slack. You are being over analytical.
Let her enjoy being a grandmother and enjoying time with her gc. That will be very precious to her.
You may not 'need' her help. 'Need' has many interpretations.
People don't 'need' a nanny either.
Let it go.

Eastofexodus · Yesterday 17:10

We have a very overbearing family member and she drives everyone in the family mad. There is no way I’d be exposing someone from outside the family to her overbearingness.

Your DH needs to be facilitating the relationship between his mother and your children and I think you need to step back from it.

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