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To stop MIL interfering with our nanny?

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marinym · Yesterday 14:45

My MIL comes over once a week to see the children and apparently help out. She lives about an hour and a half away and makes the journey herself. We have never asked her to do this. She actually said to DH that she doesn’t feel she’s getting the full grandma experience because she doesn’t help with the children enough so that’s now it started.

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

When MIL comes over the nanny is still there doing her job. MIL gets to take the baby out or bake banana bread with our eldest while the nanny does everything else and cleans up afterwards. So MIL gets the fun bits and the nanny deals with the aftermath. If the baking turns into a complete disaster the nanny is the one cleaning banana off the kitchen cupboards. If there’s a poonami the nanny changes it whilst MIL has a cup of tea. I don’t mind this arrangement at all. I think we all understand that we could manage perfectly well without her being there but there’s no need to point that out if it makes her feel better.

Recently MIL has started telling our nanny how to do her job. Not anything particularly serious but lots of little comments about how she should be doing things differently when the nanny is simply following our instructions. For example we expect our children to tidy up one activity (to the extent that they can at their ages) before getting another out. MIL will say things like “Oh don’t make her do that. Grandma’s only here for a little while so let her enjoy herself.” The nanny just says she’s following our instructions and carries on. I’ve told her not to get into a discussion about it. Just smile, say she’s following her employers’ instructions and carry on as normal. Same thing with the baby. We give him vitamins and MIL has told the nanny that she shouldn’t be doing that because babies should get everything they need from food. The nanny is following our instructions. If MIL has a problem with what we decide for our children she can speak to us about it rather than telling the nanny what she should or shouldn’t be doing.

She also makes odd comments about that I feed her “little boy” (aka my over-40yo DH). If we’re having leftovers from the night before MIL will say things like “You’re not all eating leftovers, are you? I can come and cook for you if you’re struggling”. We’re not struggling, we’re using time effectively and cooking for 2 days.
Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?” Well he’s not living at home now is he? He’s living with me and our children and I’m not running a restaurant where everyone gets a separate meal. I cook what works for the family. If we’re having curry twice because there’s enough left over then that’s what we’re having. If I know kids will eat salmon as a fillet better than in a fish cake, then we’ll have that. If I tell her this it’s “aw I understand, I just know how much he used to like his food” as if I’m malnourishing him. And for the record, we eat home cooked meals every day, it’s either myself or the nanny cooking (DH often finishes later than I do) and DH actually seems to enjoy it, will often have seconds after everyone has eaten or request a repeat of what we’ve previously made.

DH is much more diplomatic than I am. He’ll say something like “Maybe I like it now Mum” or “It’s just easier to cook something we’ll all eat” but also she rarely makes the comments in front of him, usually just to me and nanny. He does stand up for us and I don’t want to give the impression that he doesn’t but he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

I’ve also told DH that I’m not comfortable leaving MIL alone with the children. He agrees that’s fair so the nanny is always there. I don’t particularly trust MIL’s judgement and I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid an awkward conversation.

Whilst I think it’s lovely that she wants a relationship with the children and I appreciate the effort of travelling 3hrs total once a week, we don’t actually need her help. I do think she needs to understand that being Grandma doesn’t make her the boss of our household. DH thinks we should keep things diplomatic and let the nanny carry on ignoring the comments. I think that’s fine up to a point, that point has been reached for me, and I’d like to say something. Our nanny already has the patience of a saint and I don’t see why she should put up with someone getting in the way of her doing her job.

AIBU to say that she either needs to stick to her role of being a guest or the visits will become a lot more rare?

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Shinyandnew1 · Yesterday 17:12

This really isn’t fair on the nanny. If your DH wants to pussy foot around his mum and be kind, he needs to have her round on days HE is home to field her-expecting other people to do it is crappy.

dijonketchup · Yesterday 17:13

Food for thought: one of my kids’ grandparents likes to feel needed. They’ll say ‘do you need me to come down this week and pick the kids up?’ And I reply ‘no, we’re sorted for pickup, but the kids would LOVE to see you if you fancy coming down to do it?’ I really resent the implication I’m struggling for childcare (which I’m not, because we’ve arranged our lives so we don’t rely on grandparents for regular childcare, but they can see the kids whenever they like and just enjoy being grandparents).

But I can see why my DC’s GP wants to feel needed, like there’s a reason to come, and I
recognise my offence over it is my issue, about wanting to be independent and be seen as an adult rather than constantly needing ‘help’.

Ultimately your nanny is a paid employee, she doesn’t love your kids, isn’t their family and won’t be in your lives for very long compared to (hopefully) their granny. I bet your kids love baking with her.

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 17:14

"Help" you don't ask for is control.

She's trying to run off your nanny and it's time for you and your husband to set some boundaries with her.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · Yesterday 17:16

marinym · Yesterday 16:43

So so tempted to do this.
DH would disapprove

I think you can do a dialled back version of this.

Nanny should definitely be empowered
" @marinym has been very clear I'm to do it like this so if you have feedback on how its done it ls best to share it with her not me"
Every. Single. Time.

Personally I'd would gove her a cold dose of reality.
Oh mil! love you spending more time with the kids but the reality is you cannot manage the children alone ie provide any actually useful childcare. And thats absolutely fine ....what's not fine is being rude and critical to the excellent high quality help i have found who CAN look after my children competently.
if you dont pack it in and I cant be polite we will knock these visits on the head because we cant afford to lose good help.

And you nanny may well leave you...mil sounds like a total faceache

Iwantanothergo · Yesterday 17:20

I guess you could say something like "please don’t criticise the way Nanny does things. She does what we’ve asked her to do and it makes things very awkward for her if you criticise. She hasn’t complained but she has mentioned it and I’m sure the last thing you’d want is to make her feel so uncomfortable she’d want to leave us."

As far as the food is concerned, it needs your DH to tell her kindly but firmly to stop commenting and stop treating him like a child. (Ask how she would have liked it if her MIL had criticised the meals she provided.)

But as your nanny is apparently coping very well with it, and isn’t a young insecure person, I don’t think this is the huge concern you’re making it out to be. Very irritating, but that’s all.

I don’t see any problem with her baking with the children and the nanny clearing up (as presumably you would do if you were there and granny did the baking with DC). How much clearing up can be involved after making a cake?? But if it worries you, tell the nanny to leave the clearing up (telling MIL you told her to) and you’ll do it later.

Witsend101 · Yesterday 17:22

I feel a bit sorry for your MIL, she's obviously desperate to spend time with her grandchildren. She's probably got used to the nanny in the same way you have and the lines are blurred and she has become comfortable making comments that you wouldn't normally make to someone else's employee. I'm sure there is a solution here to suit everyone all round. You've mentioned you MIL wouldn't be able to cope alone with the children but these things can be a learning curve and you haven't given her much of a chance to have the children independently. It's also really common for older relatives to make comments and comparisons about the differences in child rearing as they experienced it and how things are done today, I wouldn't necessarily hold that against her, even if it is annoying. She sounds more misguided than malicious.

CleverlyBeery · Yesterday 17:28

you haven't given her much of a chance to have the children independently.

Where have you got this from?

Saying you won't change nappy isn't the first step in a 'learning curve' to mastering it. It's absolutely fine not to want to change a nappy - but it means someone else needs to be looking after the kid who is responsible for the less fun bits.

They’ll say ‘do you need me to come down this week and pick the kids up?’ And I reply ‘no, we’re sorted for pickup, but the kids would LOVE to see you if you fancy coming down to do it?’

I like this approach from a pp.

Mischance · Yesterday 17:32

She's trying to run off your nanny and it's time for you and your husband to set some boundaries with her. It is ONE day a week!! Get a grip!

Where has this idea come from that everyone (friends/ family members) should be perfect in every way? That if they step out of line by a millimetre they become persona non grata.

As your children grow they will look back with fondness on the time they spent with their grandma - don't deny them that just because she is not perfect. None of us are .......

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 17:34

cheesymarmite · Yesterday 16:24

You mentioned multiple times that you don’t NEED her but providing needed childcare isnt the only reason it’s great for children to get to spend time with their grandparents.
tbh it sounds to me that you just don’t really like her and yes maybe she is a bit annoying and makes some unwanted comments (grandparents often do!) but she’s your kids granny and it’s nice she wants to be involved. I’d be interested to hear her side…

This 100pc
And would OP cut some slack if it was her own mum?

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 17:35

Dohraymefar · Yesterday 16:05

These are times your DC will look back on fondly - baking and playing games with Granny. It is cementing a happy inter-generational relationship and your DC will thank you for it.

Your MIL is clearly devoted, driving 3 hrs a week. She may not be able to do that for too much longer so why not let them enjoy it once a week.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2chocolateoranges · Yesterday 17:39

Dh and you need to tell mil that when you aren’t there then the nanny is in charge.

mil is welcome to come to the house but if she bakes, she tidied up, f she makes a mess, she clears everything away as the nanny is there to look after the children and not her.

united front.

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 17:41

marinym · Yesterday 16:43

So so tempted to do this.
DH would disapprove

And rightly so, she is your husband's mother.
Allow your MIL to be involved in her gc lives. Irrespective of how 'helpful' she is.
Your posts appear to suggest antagonism.
As a matter of interest, is your own mum involved in your children's lives?

CleverlyBeery · Yesterday 17:43

Allow your MIL to be involved in her gc lives.

What have you been reading that suggests this isn't happening?

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 17:44

Mischance · Yesterday 17:32

She's trying to run off your nanny and it's time for you and your husband to set some boundaries with her. It is ONE day a week!! Get a grip!

Where has this idea come from that everyone (friends/ family members) should be perfect in every way? That if they step out of line by a millimetre they become persona non grata.

As your children grow they will look back with fondness on the time they spent with their grandma - don't deny them that just because she is not perfect. None of us are .......

The MIL is trying to insist things are done her way and not the way the parents have instructed the nanny to do. It actually is her trying to parent over the parents and yes, even one day a week, that's a big problem.

The parents have employed this nanny for reasons. MIL is making her work harder and is trying to control how OP and her husband raise their kids. She had her turn at being a parent. She's not a parent here nor is she in charge of the kids. The nanny is and MIL needs to be told where her lane is and to stay in it.

I’ve said she should let me know of any issues and recently she’s said that the criticisms are inappropriate and she’s not sure how to handle them.

tsmainsqueeze · Yesterday 17:47

doodleygirl · Yesterday 15:02

I think you sound quite nasty. Your MIL wants a relationship with her grandchildren and is pro active in doing so.

No you aren't nasty , your MIL is interfering.

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 17:50

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 17:50

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

MrMucker · Yesterday 17:51

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CleverlyBeery · Yesterday 17:56

"The children get excited when they know she’s coming on holiday with us, make her birthday presents without being prompted, have their own little in-jokes with her and look forward to days that she stays overnight (if my husband is on a business trip and I need the help). I can see that she genuinely loves the kids too, and it’s understandable given she’s helped to raise them from babies and has seen them every day. That’s not to say they love her more than their parents or their actual grandparents, it’s simply a lovely relationship that’s developed over years of spending so much time together."

That's all about what the kids get out of it. Very weird to pretend the OP hasn't said that!

AlwaysExtraHot · Yesterday 17:57

She's a twunt.
She's interfering with a professional, and 'her “little boy”' is downright creepy.
Your nanny seems to be doing a sterling job of handling it, but I'd still say to MIL, 'Please stop making comments to the nanny; we employ her and it's up to us to brief and instruct her.'
Any more comments like the leftovers one, I think the answer is 'Mind your own [optional 'fucking'] business.' Let DH disapprove. He doesn't have to put up with this shit.
Or, actually, if she remarks on how he likes salmon or whatever, tell her to go and talk to him about it if she can't keep her beak out. Every time. One of them will get sick of it.

Nettleskeins · Yesterday 18:02

She is always going to be their grandma, whereas the Nanny is not always going to be there. I think it is great that she is on the children's side tbh it would worse the other way around.
I think your MIL is a valuable asset in the long-term even if in the short term she feels very irritating.

I can remember my mother sometimes pitching in in ways that didn't help much at the time with my theories about child raising but actually it was wonderful to have someone with a biased in favour of children view. I take your point about vitamins, of course now we know that some vitamins like D needed to be added to your diet but she is on the right track to value good nutrition and at least not lobbying them junk food presumably.

The clearing up thing can be taken too extremes and it is often nannies rather than parents that impose this, in RL no one manages this quite as well as paid professionals. I remember taking my son once to a nanny household and the "tidy up time "was just another tension imposed by the absent parent. I never saw the mum behave like this when in charge of her children herself she always became really immersed in playing with them..but at one remove it became a rigid rule

WildLeader · Yesterday 18:03

marinym · Yesterday 16:43

So so tempted to do this.
DH would disapprove

Well…. DH can fix it then… you’re not losing your nanny

Swmk · Yesterday 18:04

Mother in law sounds annoying but you sound quite prickly.

InterIgnis · Yesterday 18:05

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Perhaps the MIL can wind her neck in and just get on with OP?

OP and her husband are the ‘captains’ when it comes to their own house and their own child. They aren’t jockeying for the position they’re already in - that’s the MIL.

OP - I’m also not British (or Australian for that matter), so I understand navigating cultural differences in communication, but being direct isn’t being rude, and tempering your directness doesn’t mean you have to become a doormat. Your DH’s ‘diplomacy’ amounts to doing nothing, and it’s only encouraging her to continue on as she’s doing. Put a stop to it now before it gets any worse and your nanny becomes increasingly uncomfortable.

fosterfever · Yesterday 18:07

If your nanny is seasoned then she’ll have experienced overbearing grandparents before. Just double check with her that she’s ignoring the comments and happy to continue.

I used to chaperone Granny visits with school aged children for one family. She’d take them out for dinner or to the cinema and I was there to make sure they behaved. She did all the fun grandparents stuff and I dealt with the toilet trips and tantrums. She was utterly horrible, and made constant jabs about her son-in-law. I just sat there smiling and nodding. My employers knew how she was and they were just grateful that I treated it as part of the job. Which sometimes it is.