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To stop MIL interfering with our nanny?

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marinym · Yesterday 14:45

My MIL comes over once a week to see the children and apparently help out. She lives about an hour and a half away and makes the journey herself. We have never asked her to do this. She actually said to DH that she doesn’t feel she’s getting the full grandma experience because she doesn’t help with the children enough so that’s now it started.

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

When MIL comes over the nanny is still there doing her job. MIL gets to take the baby out or bake banana bread with our eldest while the nanny does everything else and cleans up afterwards. So MIL gets the fun bits and the nanny deals with the aftermath. If the baking turns into a complete disaster the nanny is the one cleaning banana off the kitchen cupboards. If there’s a poonami the nanny changes it whilst MIL has a cup of tea. I don’t mind this arrangement at all. I think we all understand that we could manage perfectly well without her being there but there’s no need to point that out if it makes her feel better.

Recently MIL has started telling our nanny how to do her job. Not anything particularly serious but lots of little comments about how she should be doing things differently when the nanny is simply following our instructions. For example we expect our children to tidy up one activity (to the extent that they can at their ages) before getting another out. MIL will say things like “Oh don’t make her do that. Grandma’s only here for a little while so let her enjoy herself.” The nanny just says she’s following our instructions and carries on. I’ve told her not to get into a discussion about it. Just smile, say she’s following her employers’ instructions and carry on as normal. Same thing with the baby. We give him vitamins and MIL has told the nanny that she shouldn’t be doing that because babies should get everything they need from food. The nanny is following our instructions. If MIL has a problem with what we decide for our children she can speak to us about it rather than telling the nanny what she should or shouldn’t be doing.

She also makes odd comments about that I feed her “little boy” (aka my over-40yo DH). If we’re having leftovers from the night before MIL will say things like “You’re not all eating leftovers, are you? I can come and cook for you if you’re struggling”. We’re not struggling, we’re using time effectively and cooking for 2 days.
Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?” Well he’s not living at home now is he? He’s living with me and our children and I’m not running a restaurant where everyone gets a separate meal. I cook what works for the family. If we’re having curry twice because there’s enough left over then that’s what we’re having. If I know kids will eat salmon as a fillet better than in a fish cake, then we’ll have that. If I tell her this it’s “aw I understand, I just know how much he used to like his food” as if I’m malnourishing him. And for the record, we eat home cooked meals every day, it’s either myself or the nanny cooking (DH often finishes later than I do) and DH actually seems to enjoy it, will often have seconds after everyone has eaten or request a repeat of what we’ve previously made.

DH is much more diplomatic than I am. He’ll say something like “Maybe I like it now Mum” or “It’s just easier to cook something we’ll all eat” but also she rarely makes the comments in front of him, usually just to me and nanny. He does stand up for us and I don’t want to give the impression that he doesn’t but he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

I’ve also told DH that I’m not comfortable leaving MIL alone with the children. He agrees that’s fair so the nanny is always there. I don’t particularly trust MIL’s judgement and I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid an awkward conversation.

Whilst I think it’s lovely that she wants a relationship with the children and I appreciate the effort of travelling 3hrs total once a week, we don’t actually need her help. I do think she needs to understand that being Grandma doesn’t make her the boss of our household. DH thinks we should keep things diplomatic and let the nanny carry on ignoring the comments. I think that’s fine up to a point, that point has been reached for me, and I’d like to say something. Our nanny already has the patience of a saint and I don’t see why she should put up with someone getting in the way of her doing her job.

AIBU to say that she either needs to stick to her role of being a guest or the visits will become a lot more rare?

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Calliopespa · Yesterday 18:12

TinyBlueDent · Yesterday 14:55

I voted YABU based on this paragraph -

he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

Do you have an Antipodean directness? Whatever your cultural background, rein in the rudeness otherwise you'll become the DIL from hell.

YANBU to feel the way you do but you would be unreasonable to express it rudely.

I'll eat my hat if that's Antipodean ... Antipodeans tend to have a sweet side.

I think you already know what you think OP and what you intend to do.

I don't for a minute think you will hear otherwise and I'm not sure what you posted.

This line gave me a pretty clear idea of how how you see the MIL and how the MIL is being made to feel

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

You prefer the nanny and have no need for this woman who sees your DH as her "little boy." It isn't about whether you feel you "need" her OP. She is their grandmother.

disturbia · Yesterday 18:15

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 17:50

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

Having read your posts OP maybe MIL doesn't want to come over when you at home!

WildLeader · Yesterday 18:16

Someone left the Gransnet gate open again i see 🙄

Calliopespa · Yesterday 18:17

marinym · Yesterday 16:28

Topseyt123 I can assure you the nanny isn’t looking for a way out. We’ve known her for nearly seven years, so I know her pretty well by now, she’s been on holiday with us, I’ve spent every one of my mat leaves seeing her daily. We’ve helped her and her family out over the years and she’s gone above and beyond for us too. There’s a lot of mutual affection and trust there. Obviously she’s employed by us and nothing is guaranteed, but I know the person she is and I genuinely don’t think she’s secretly planning her escape! We’d both have enough respect for each other to inform each other before seeking a new job or new nanny.

No, we don’t call her a replacement grandma to MIL or the children. The sentiment is there even if we don’t name it or discuss it though. The children get excited when they know she’s coming on holiday with us, make her birthday presents without being prompted, have their own little in-jokes with her and look forward to days that she stays overnight (if my husband is on a business trip and I need the help). I can see that she genuinely loves the kids too, and it’s understandable given she’s helped to raise them from babies and has seen them every day. That’s not to say they love her more than their parents or their actual grandparents, it’s simply a lovely relationship that’s developed over years of spending so much time together.

No, we don’t call her a replacement grandma to MIL or the children. The sentiment is there even if we don’t name it or discuss it though.

We hear you op: loud and clear!

This GM is surplus to requirements. Why doesn't she just accept that and bugger off ...🙄

MintTwirl · Yesterday 18:19

I feel sorry for mil and nanny.
I think MIL desperately wants a close grandma relationship with the dc and she is feeling a bit put out at this other ‘ second grandma’ relationship they have with hour nanny. She likely knows that without coming over regularly she won’t get that close relationship with them.
If grandma is there why can’t the nanny be doing something else in the house(or even out of the house)? Rather than being right there enforcing rules about tidying up each activity before getting anything else out. Grandparents are supposed to be more lax, it’s part of the fun of getting to that stage and tbh not tidying up straight away when grandma is there is no big deal.

You may not need her help and it is clear you don’t like her much and look down on her but your children will benefit from a relationship with a grandparent who clearly loves them very much and wants to spend time with them.

OVienna · Yesterday 18:19

I'm going to repeat myself here because people aren't getting it, from the point of view of the nanny or the OP's responsibilities as an employer.

I am not even sure the OP is totally getting it.

The nanny must be allowed to do her job without someone whom she doesn't work for watching over and sniping from the sidelines during her working hours and generally making her day harder.

I know the OP made it sound like she doesn't mind but I'll bet you she doesn't look forward to it.

It is a total gift to the grandmother and the family that the nanny is tolerating this. The nanny is not responsible for facilitating the relationship with the grandchildren. That is the OP and the DH's responsibility.

The nanny could, conceivably, raise a grievance around this, and the OP would need to go through a formal procedure. The responsibilities of being an employer scared me, when we were doing it.

There are ways to make this work, but it will require setting firmer boundaries with everyone involved. I would not trust that the nanny doesn't feel taken advantage of. If the OP/DH/Granny can't see this, shame on them.

Makebelieveanotherlife · Yesterday 18:20

OffTheMap · Yesterday 14:58

So without these visits, when would your MIL see her grandchildren?

You repeat that you don't need her help, but there is more to being a grandparent than being needed for help.

Do you visit her at weekends? Would you welcome weekend visits from her?

They don’t owe the mil any visits?

Drawmouse · Yesterday 18:20

I think you are being unreasonable.You repeatedly say how much you don't need her. That's unkind & unfair. She could do with learning not to comment on how you do things, but equally you need to learn to just smile and nod. The Nanny doesn't seem to be put out , you don't need to be pit out on her behalf. Also if the nanny breaks her leg and is out of action for a while. Who do you ring for help then?

OVienna · Yesterday 18:20

If it were once in a while, that's one thing. EVERY WEEK?! FFS.

OVienna · Yesterday 18:22

Drawmouse · Yesterday 18:20

I think you are being unreasonable.You repeatedly say how much you don't need her. That's unkind & unfair. She could do with learning not to comment on how you do things, but equally you need to learn to just smile and nod. The Nanny doesn't seem to be put out , you don't need to be pit out on her behalf. Also if the nanny breaks her leg and is out of action for a while. Who do you ring for help then?

This is a woman who apparently won't even change a nappy, it won't be her.

Calliopespa · Yesterday 18:24

dijonketchup · Yesterday 17:13

Food for thought: one of my kids’ grandparents likes to feel needed. They’ll say ‘do you need me to come down this week and pick the kids up?’ And I reply ‘no, we’re sorted for pickup, but the kids would LOVE to see you if you fancy coming down to do it?’ I really resent the implication I’m struggling for childcare (which I’m not, because we’ve arranged our lives so we don’t rely on grandparents for regular childcare, but they can see the kids whenever they like and just enjoy being grandparents).

But I can see why my DC’s GP wants to feel needed, like there’s a reason to come, and I
recognise my offence over it is my issue, about wanting to be independent and be seen as an adult rather than constantly needing ‘help’.

Ultimately your nanny is a paid employee, she doesn’t love your kids, isn’t their family and won’t be in your lives for very long compared to (hopefully) their granny. I bet your kids love baking with her.

Ultimately your nanny is a paid employee, she doesn’t love your kids, isn’t their family and won’t be in your lives for very long

This is what the OP isn't seeing.

She is the "Grandmother" the OP loves because a) she doesn't care enough to have a contradictory opinion and b) she is paid to do what the OP wants, so she does.

The OP will be the next thread where the mother is absolutely shattered that their "part of the family" nanny is leaving for her own reasons, when they no longer coincide with being paid to mind these dc, and will be lamenting that she cannot understand how the nanny can do this to her dc because she always "loved them so much."

Paid help is exactly that OP: paid help. Yes, it's more convenient, yes, it's more obedient, and yes it masquerades well, but confuse it with genuine love at your peril.

Calliopespa · Yesterday 18:26

MintTwirl · Yesterday 18:19

I feel sorry for mil and nanny.
I think MIL desperately wants a close grandma relationship with the dc and she is feeling a bit put out at this other ‘ second grandma’ relationship they have with hour nanny. She likely knows that without coming over regularly she won’t get that close relationship with them.
If grandma is there why can’t the nanny be doing something else in the house(or even out of the house)? Rather than being right there enforcing rules about tidying up each activity before getting anything else out. Grandparents are supposed to be more lax, it’s part of the fun of getting to that stage and tbh not tidying up straight away when grandma is there is no big deal.

You may not need her help and it is clear you don’t like her much and look down on her but your children will benefit from a relationship with a grandparent who clearly loves them very much and wants to spend time with them.

I feel sorry for mil and nanny.

So do I.

And I think the OP risks losing both ...

MintTwirl · Yesterday 18:34

OVienna · Yesterday 18:22

This is a woman who apparently won't even change a nappy, it won't be her.

Did she actually say that? All I can find is OP saying

I’m not convinced she’d be so keen when the baby needs a particularly grim nappy change, someone’s having a meltdown or there’s a massive mess to clean up. I can see her opting out of the boring bits or just struggling. She literally says to our nanny “oh I’ve done my share of those” when there’s a nappy to change.

That isn’t someone refusing to change a nappy. I actually think it’s quite a normal thing to say/think, I have also done my fair share of nappies and am glad that I am past that stage but it doesn’t mean I would refuse to change a nappy in the future,

Teddleshon1 · Yesterday 18:37

@OVienna my daughter is a Norland Nanny. You have completely nailed it.

Calliopespa · Yesterday 18:41

MintTwirl · Yesterday 18:34

Did she actually say that? All I can find is OP saying

I’m not convinced she’d be so keen when the baby needs a particularly grim nappy change, someone’s having a meltdown or there’s a massive mess to clean up. I can see her opting out of the boring bits or just struggling. She literally says to our nanny “oh I’ve done my share of those” when there’s a nappy to change.

That isn’t someone refusing to change a nappy. I actually think it’s quite a normal thing to say/think, I have also done my fair share of nappies and am glad that I am past that stage but it doesn’t mean I would refuse to change a nappy in the future,

Edited

I guess it's also a way of dealing with potential awkwardness around not treading on the nanny's toes, yet not offering to help. It's a throwaway comment, a faintly jocular way of easing past that juncture of not grabbing the baby from the nanny.

It would be so much better all round if GM was invited round to spend quality time with the dc when the nanny wasn't on duty - but I'm expecting OP feels she "has no need" for any of that.

Ponoka7 · Yesterday 18:43

Makebelieveanotherlife · Yesterday 18:20

They don’t owe the mil any visits?

It isn't usual in your world to have a relationship with your Mother and Grandmother?
@marinym do you not have sny famliy relationships, or were they all replaced by paid for care, teachers, etc?

OVienna · Yesterday 18:44

MintTwirl · Yesterday 18:34

Did she actually say that? All I can find is OP saying

I’m not convinced she’d be so keen when the baby needs a particularly grim nappy change, someone’s having a meltdown or there’s a massive mess to clean up. I can see her opting out of the boring bits or just struggling. She literally says to our nanny “oh I’ve done my share of those” when there’s a nappy to change.

That isn’t someone refusing to change a nappy. I actually think it’s quite a normal thing to say/think, I have also done my fair share of nappies and am glad that I am past that stage but it doesn’t mean I would refuse to change a nappy in the future,

Edited

The OP described an afternoon somewhere, I cannot scroll back at this point but there is a cafe description.

OVienna · Yesterday 18:44

MintTwirl · Yesterday 18:34

Did she actually say that? All I can find is OP saying

I’m not convinced she’d be so keen when the baby needs a particularly grim nappy change, someone’s having a meltdown or there’s a massive mess to clean up. I can see her opting out of the boring bits or just struggling. She literally says to our nanny “oh I’ve done my share of those” when there’s a nappy to change.

That isn’t someone refusing to change a nappy. I actually think it’s quite a normal thing to say/think, I have also done my fair share of nappies and am glad that I am past that stage but it doesn’t mean I would refuse to change a nappy in the future,

Edited

Not standing back and watching 'the HELP' do it'? Are you for real? The OP's nanny should tolerate that?

OVienna · Yesterday 18:45

On the parents' time, fine, no issues.

TheMixedGirl · Yesterday 18:46

Your nanny will have a limit eventually and will leave. I would tred carefully here. Expecting a good nanny to stick around putting up with this once a week is a lot. She can easily get another job. I would put a stop to this.

Namechangewegovyjune26 · Yesterday 19:09

I would check in with the nanny in front of your DH. Ask if she is ok and what you need to do. Any action then give to your DH and be very clear that he can’t be too gentle about it as she seems to not take hints.

Princessfluffy · Yesterday 19:13

I think Grandma can describe her visits as helping if it makes her happy to do so. Where is the harm?
I don’t think she should be bossing your nanny around in your house. You can ask her to refrain from correcting or bossing the nanny and ask her to direct her comments to you instead. Tell her that the nanny is carrying out your instructions on childcare and that you’d like her to respect that.

godmum56 · Yesterday 19:14

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 17:09

She's your children's grandmother and your husband's mum, cut her some slack. You are being over analytical.
Let her enjoy being a grandmother and enjoying time with her gc. That will be very precious to her.
You may not 'need' her help. 'Need' has many interpretations.
People don't 'need' a nanny either.
Let it go.

yeah I was going to RTFT but I read this and could not resist answering it.
Children are not toys or cats in the cat cafe. They are not brought into the world for the enjoyment of their grandparents.
Parents decide on what the regime should be for their children and so long as the regime is not harmful and the children are happy, then its not up to ANYONE else to challenge or change it.

godmum56 · Yesterday 19:19

WildLeader · Yesterday 18:16

Someone left the Gransnet gate open again i see 🙄

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Kave · Yesterday 19:20

Why has nobody mentioned the children in all this? Children usually benefit from contact with the wider family, especially grandparents. Do they like it when she comes? Does she upset them? I found my grandchildren constantly asked me about my childhood ‘tell me a story from when you were young’. I struggled with my MiL (we’d go for one weekend a month) but my children loved her & my FiL. I wouldn’t have dreamed of depriving them of that relationship.

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