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To stop MIL interfering with our nanny?

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marinym · Yesterday 14:45

My MIL comes over once a week to see the children and apparently help out. She lives about an hour and a half away and makes the journey herself. We have never asked her to do this. She actually said to DH that she doesn’t feel she’s getting the full grandma experience because she doesn’t help with the children enough so that’s now it started.

The thing is we really don’t need the help. I earn the same as DH, both quite high earners and we can comfortably afford childcare / afterschool clubs. We have a brilliant nanny who has become like a second grandma to the children. She genuinely goes above and beyond her job and we absolutely love her.

When MIL comes over the nanny is still there doing her job. MIL gets to take the baby out or bake banana bread with our eldest while the nanny does everything else and cleans up afterwards. So MIL gets the fun bits and the nanny deals with the aftermath. If the baking turns into a complete disaster the nanny is the one cleaning banana off the kitchen cupboards. If there’s a poonami the nanny changes it whilst MIL has a cup of tea. I don’t mind this arrangement at all. I think we all understand that we could manage perfectly well without her being there but there’s no need to point that out if it makes her feel better.

Recently MIL has started telling our nanny how to do her job. Not anything particularly serious but lots of little comments about how she should be doing things differently when the nanny is simply following our instructions. For example we expect our children to tidy up one activity (to the extent that they can at their ages) before getting another out. MIL will say things like “Oh don’t make her do that. Grandma’s only here for a little while so let her enjoy herself.” The nanny just says she’s following our instructions and carries on. I’ve told her not to get into a discussion about it. Just smile, say she’s following her employers’ instructions and carry on as normal. Same thing with the baby. We give him vitamins and MIL has told the nanny that she shouldn’t be doing that because babies should get everything they need from food. The nanny is following our instructions. If MIL has a problem with what we decide for our children she can speak to us about it rather than telling the nanny what she should or shouldn’t be doing.

She also makes odd comments about that I feed her “little boy” (aka my over-40yo DH). If we’re having leftovers from the night before MIL will say things like “You’re not all eating leftovers, are you? I can come and cook for you if you’re struggling”. We’re not struggling, we’re using time effectively and cooking for 2 days.
Or “It’s salmon for dinner? He never used to like it as a fillet, I think he’d prefer it in fishcakes, do you need a recipe?” Well he’s not living at home now is he? He’s living with me and our children and I’m not running a restaurant where everyone gets a separate meal. I cook what works for the family. If we’re having curry twice because there’s enough left over then that’s what we’re having. If I know kids will eat salmon as a fillet better than in a fish cake, then we’ll have that. If I tell her this it’s “aw I understand, I just know how much he used to like his food” as if I’m malnourishing him. And for the record, we eat home cooked meals every day, it’s either myself or the nanny cooking (DH often finishes later than I do) and DH actually seems to enjoy it, will often have seconds after everyone has eaten or request a repeat of what we’ve previously made.

DH is much more diplomatic than I am. He’ll say something like “Maybe I like it now Mum” or “It’s just easier to cook something we’ll all eat” but also she rarely makes the comments in front of him, usually just to me and nanny. He does stand up for us and I don’t want to give the impression that he doesn’t but he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

I’ve also told DH that I’m not comfortable leaving MIL alone with the children. He agrees that’s fair so the nanny is always there. I don’t particularly trust MIL’s judgement and I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid an awkward conversation.

Whilst I think it’s lovely that she wants a relationship with the children and I appreciate the effort of travelling 3hrs total once a week, we don’t actually need her help. I do think she needs to understand that being Grandma doesn’t make her the boss of our household. DH thinks we should keep things diplomatic and let the nanny carry on ignoring the comments. I think that’s fine up to a point, that point has been reached for me, and I’d like to say something. Our nanny already has the patience of a saint and I don’t see why she should put up with someone getting in the way of her doing her job.

AIBU to say that she either needs to stick to her role of being a guest or the visits will become a lot more rare?

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BobbleBear · Yesterday 15:17

Jeez, you need to be much firmer with MIL or you risk your excellent Nanny leaving!

Is that really what MIL wants to happen?

Surely MIL can visit you all when you’re at home instead?

I say this as a 60 something granny who doesn’t think it’s wise to interfere in what my DIL’s decide. Mainly because they’re excellent mums and wives and I have huge respect for both of them.

marinym · Yesterday 15:19

OffTheMap · Yesterday 14:58

So without these visits, when would your MIL see her grandchildren?

You repeat that you don't need her help, but there is more to being a grandparent than being needed for help.

Do you visit her at weekends? Would you welcome weekend visits from her?

Once a month or two months we’ll either go to her house for the weekend or she’ll stay over at ours from Saturday to Sunday

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MyKindHiker · Yesterday 15:23

marinym · Yesterday 15:19

Once a month or two months we’ll either go to her house for the weekend or she’ll stay over at ours from Saturday to Sunday

I'm with you OP - @OffTheMap I don't think it's the grandma's human right for a certain type of relationship. Some grandparents have hands-on caring roles, others have a relationship where there are occasional visits. You need both parties to want the same type of relationship, it sounds like grandma wants to force this hands on caring thing onto the family when there candidly isn't a vacancy for the role.

waterrat · Yesterday 15:23

Im a bit confused by this. What's wrong with your mil wanting to see her grandchildren regularly? You seem to be saying you prefer the nanny. That seems strange when it's family.

I understand wanting routines etc with the nanny but what's wrong with mil taking the baby sometimes or the nanny clearing up a bit more ?

WiddlinDiddlin · Yesterday 15:29

waterrat · Yesterday 15:23

Im a bit confused by this. What's wrong with your mil wanting to see her grandchildren regularly? You seem to be saying you prefer the nanny. That seems strange when it's family.

I understand wanting routines etc with the nanny but what's wrong with mil taking the baby sometimes or the nanny clearing up a bit more ?

I don't think you are confused, I think you're trying to fish out something to have a dig about.

OP is quite clear she's happy for MIL to visit, take the baby out etc... what she is not happy with is MIL nit picking at the Nanny for doing as she has been asked to do, ie giving vitamins, guiding children to tidy up one mess before starting on another.

I'd have a word with her @marinym 'MIL, we love that you visit us and the kids so often, but if you have a problem with the way our Nanny does things, raise it with us, not her, she is following our instructions. If you'd prefer to come over and look after the kids without the Nanny present we can arrange her day off to coincide with your visit.'

She will run a fucking mile at that suggestion so there's no fear of her ACTUALLY doing this!

DiNozzoComingBack · Yesterday 15:33

It's quite passive aggressive, isn't it?

I'd be incilned to say to MIL that nanny is uncomfortable with her trying to over ride your instructtions and say if she's got concerns about things you (we - ie you and DH) do for the children, she should discuss it with the two of you.

Re the food thing, honestly, this is where a little healthy sarcasm/sceptism/fake-joking passive aggressiveness back to her is the answer.
"haha MIL - you do know he's a strapping 40 year old man now and can eat salmon in multiple ways?"
"Come on, leftovers are the best - we're winning at life if we can make enough for two days to save the effort of cooking twice. It's a different world - we don't all have time to cook every day any more and I'm happy with that".
"It's so funny that you think he's still a little boy who needs to be mothered to eat well."

marinym · Yesterday 15:35

@thepariscrimefiles DH would be bored to death by her constant requests, that’s how it all started, she used to call him regularly and say that she doesn’t want to visit, she wants to help, she always imagined helping as a grandma and she wants to come over once a week. I imagine if we stopped the visits she’d once again keep calling and saying she needs to be an involved grandma.

@ColdAsAWitches It’s not just about vitamins. DH knows his mum and agrees with me. She loves the fun bits but I’m not convinced she’d be so keen when the baby needs a particularly grim nappy change, someone’s having a meltdown or there’s a massive mess to clean up. I can see her opting out of the boring bits or just struggling. She literally says to our nanny “oh I’ve done my share of those” when there’s a nappy to change. I’m not going to leave my children with someone I’m not comfortable leaving them with just to prove I’m being fair.

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DiNozzoComingBack · Yesterday 15:36

One thing I will add though - MIL went through this slightly odd phase of buying DH food. So she'd pick him up a specific type of ham or something. Just from saimsburys - it's not like it was his all time favourite thing, available only at one butcher at the high street near her house. I did find it a bit irritating at first, but then I came to see it as just her way of letting her son know she is thinking of him. She wasn't saying he wasn't getting perfectly good food at home or that he wasn't capable of feeding himself, she just wanted him to know that she loved him.

A friend turned up at my house recently with a packet of figs. From waitrose. So again, not something super fancy and absolutely something I could buy myself. But she handed them to me saying, " I saw these, and I know how much you love figs so I just got the packet". It's the same mindset.

OVienna · Yesterday 15:37

I have sympathy for the fact that it must be hard for MIL to see this nanny positioned as a 'second grandma' even if it's unspoken - goodness, I hope you don't use that term with her, your DCs, DH, anyone IRL.

That said, your MIL needs to knock it off with telling the nanny how to do her job or creating extra work for her. Because, if she quits, you can bet the MIL wouldn't be looking for a full-time job herself.

My mum would come to 'help' too - what this meant was facilitating grandparent time for her, generally not 'helping' either me, DH, the nanny/au pair etc.

Usually watching us do thing the DCs needed and commenting.

Maybe we didn't give her enough direction at times to give the visits some structure, although I also got it in the neck for 'treating her like the nanny' one trip so it's hard to say.

You're MIL might be respond differently: could she come on a day when she could take them to a local activity, freeing up the nanny for an afternoon?

That would be good one on one time, if she'd be up for that sort of thing.

I just remembered you said you don't want her looking after them alone. Kindly, why? This is the rope I'd drop (unless she complains about 'how hard she's working' when she takes the kids out.)

marinym · Yesterday 15:37

@FlowersInPotsnormally she’ll make most of her comments to the nanny when I’m not there but on the rare occasion she’ll make it in front of me. Never around her son.

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marinym · Yesterday 15:38

Raindropskeepfallingon · Yesterday 15:02

She’s completely unreasonable to be interfering and bossing your nanny around, but I can sympathise with a woman whose son’s family apparently love a paid employee as a second Grandma but barely hide their disdain for her. She sounds like she’s trying, and failing, to find her place in your family. That’s apparently not providing childcare or being helpful to you - but do you visit her? Invite her on days out?

Yes once a month or two months we have a 2 days, 1 night visit either us to her or she to us (we alternate)

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alcovecupboards · Yesterday 15:40

Some of the things you're annoyed about seem a bit off to me. You employ the nanny and so I don't see why there would be an issue if one day per week she wasn't getting to do the 'fun stuff' when grandma is instead. You've described your nanny as a second grandma - perhaps your MIL knows this and doesn't want to be replaced in her grandchildren's lives? By all means speak to her about undermining you - but good god let her be a grandmother for an afternoon a week. It will benefit your children.

MyLittleNest · Yesterday 15:42

If your nanny is putting up with this once a week, she is likely looking for a new job. Perhaps your DH will be willing to acknowledge the impact of his mother's intrusive ways when he loses your daily help, but it shouldn't have to come to that.

She's invited herself, and if she can't behave while she is there, then she can come when she is invited (which won't be weekly, when the nanny is there, etc).

She needs to be put in her place.

marinym · Yesterday 15:42

@goodnessidontknow DH, knowing his mum, has actually suggested that we raise her wage for that afternoon because it’s technically more work in the form of fielding random criticisms, potentially washing up a cup of tea or cleaning up banana cake mess she didn’t make.
Before the visits were arranged we asked our nanny and she approved. I’ve said she should let me know of any issues and recently she’s said that the criticisms are inappropriate and she’s not sure how to handle them. I asked if she’d like the visits to stop and she said no, if I’m comfortable with her approach to the criticisms she’s fine.

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OVienna · Yesterday 15:47

marinym · Yesterday 15:42

@goodnessidontknow DH, knowing his mum, has actually suggested that we raise her wage for that afternoon because it’s technically more work in the form of fielding random criticisms, potentially washing up a cup of tea or cleaning up banana cake mess she didn’t make.
Before the visits were arranged we asked our nanny and she approved. I’ve said she should let me know of any issues and recently she’s said that the criticisms are inappropriate and she’s not sure how to handle them. I asked if she’d like the visits to stop and she said no, if I’m comfortable with her approach to the criticisms she’s fine.

Your nanny will be being diplomatic. She's saying she is uncomfortable.

WaffleMacGubbins · Yesterday 15:48

You're irritated by MIL being in your home as often as she is. That's enough reason to tell her no. Reduce the visit to once a fortnight or once a month or just end it.

If you continue to allow the weekly visits, have a frank conversation with the Nanny and make sure she's comfortable with the arrangement. You'd be incredibly annoyed to end up loosing a nanny your family loves because of an interfering MIL you're tolerating to keep the peace.

Continue being blunt to your MIL. She's being rude to you. At least you're staying true to your cultural norms. What's her excuse?

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 15:49

marinym · Yesterday 15:35

@thepariscrimefiles DH would be bored to death by her constant requests, that’s how it all started, she used to call him regularly and say that she doesn’t want to visit, she wants to help, she always imagined helping as a grandma and she wants to come over once a week. I imagine if we stopped the visits she’d once again keep calling and saying she needs to be an involved grandma.

@ColdAsAWitches It’s not just about vitamins. DH knows his mum and agrees with me. She loves the fun bits but I’m not convinced she’d be so keen when the baby needs a particularly grim nappy change, someone’s having a meltdown or there’s a massive mess to clean up. I can see her opting out of the boring bits or just struggling. She literally says to our nanny “oh I’ve done my share of those” when there’s a nappy to change. I’m not going to leave my children with someone I’m not comfortable leaving them with just to prove I’m being fair.

I wouldn't change a nappy if there was somebody paid to do it there either! You're saying you don't trust her, but you're not giving her the opportunity to show that she's trustworthy. The next time you're at her house give her a chance to spend time with the baby without you or the nanny hovering and see how she copes.

WildLeader · Yesterday 15:50

For her to say something @marinym the nanny is clearly very unhappy about the visits.

you have to discuss with MIL. Tell her that she’s welcome to come over when invited and to stay at weekends, but not during the week. A good nanny is like gold dust and to lose her would be a huge inconvenience and potentially deeply unsettling to the children/household.

tell her it’s not the nanny’s job to clear up after her, to take up all the slack while she sits back and criticises what the nanny is being explicitly asked to do. Tell her that these visits are jeopardising your childcare, and could very well damage the relationship between her and your family. Tell her that you don’t want that to happen, which is why you’re addressing it now before tempers are lost. Be clear. No more visits in the week.

im assuming she doesn’t have a key? Nanny could arrange to go out…

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:54

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more.

Second, your Mil's wish to be see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:54

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:55

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

Momon45 · Yesterday 15:56

TinyBlueDent · Yesterday 14:55

I voted YABU based on this paragraph -

he’s very gentle with her and always tries to keep things pleasant. I’m not like that. I’m quite direct and perfectly happy to say “Look this is our house and this is how we do things. If you don’t like it you don’t have to come over.” I think some of it is probably cultural. I’ve lived here since I was 16 but I’m much more comfortable being blunt about things whereas DH would rather smooth everything over. It’s the same if we disagree with each other - he’ll be diplomatic and smooth things over, I’ll say exactly what I mean and likely in a spicy tone.

Do you have an Antipodean directness? Whatever your cultural background, rein in the rudeness otherwise you'll become the DIL from hell.

YANBU to feel the way you do but you would be unreasonable to express it rudely.

Yes the OP sounds difficult . I imagine she'd rather the MIL didn't come at all . Some of it sound like jealousy .

OVienna · Yesterday 15:56

Also - won't change a nappy - WTF, seriously.

What the nanny has is a houseguest once a week. The more I think about it, this is not on.

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:57

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 15:57

Two things jump out - separate but related.
First, you need to stick up for your nanny. Loud and clear so that she is not caught in the tension of conflicting instructions. She should not have to put up with Mil telling her what to do in your absence. So tell Mil that it is not fair on your nanny to advise her at all, and please don't do it any more. This is more important than her going on about food.

Second, your Mil's wish to see her grandchildren and be a GM is being muddled up with "help" when it doesn't need to be. Instead of her coming over in the week while you are not there, why not invite her on a weekend day to a family social occasion? Separate her GM relationship from "help". She might want to give it, but you don't need it, so have her over, make a fuss of her and let her know you, DH and DC want to see her for herself not what she does.😀

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