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To think MIL and SIL shouldn’t stop DD from caring about her appearance?

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theandl · Yesterday 19:53

My MIL and SIL are quite different to me. They’re very much “looks are the least interesting thing about you” people and tend to look down on women who wear makeup, make an effort with clothes etc. They’re also very much of the “go on, have another piece of bread/pudding” school of eating and will make comments if anyone says no to dessert even when full.

I’m not particularly obsessed with looks but I do take pride in my appearance. I exercise, try to keep my weight fairly stable, wear makeup, make an effort with my clothes etc. I have a good job, 3 kids, went to Oxford, lots of hobbies, travel etc, so it’s not as though my appearance is my entire personality, but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc. She’s also bright, funny, loves reading and drawing, does gymnastics and is generally a lovely kid. She just likes pretty things and likes looking nice. Like many little girls I guess she copies me, her mum.

Recently MIL and SIL have started making little comments about it and it’s really starting to get to me. Things like “are we going through the whole wardrobe before we leave?”, “who are you trying to impress?” and “you know nobody really cares what you’re wearing, don’t you?”

The other day DD came downstairs in a new dress she’d picked out and clearly looked very happy with herself, thought she looked nice. SIL laughed and said something like “honestly, you are obsessed with looking pretty. It’s much more important to be clever.” DD just said “I am clever.” And that’s the bit that’s really got to me. I genuinely don’t care what they think about me. If they think I’m too interested in my appearance then fine, I’m an adult and can deal with it. But she’s 7. I don’t think adults need to be making comments to a 7yo about being vain or caring too much about how she looks.

Equally if she’s full and doesn’t want cake or another piece of lasagne, she’ll say “no thank you”, which I think is healthy. MIL will act all offended, as to them not finishing everything that someone has cooked is rude. By which I mean, if let’s say 10 portions of lasagne were cooked for 6 people and the surplus 4 were unfinished, it would be rude for people to say “no thank you” after they had eaten their original full portion and finished everything on their plate, just saying no to seconds.

Obviously I tell her that being kind, funny, clever, brave etc is much more important than being pretty. But I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with her liking dresses and doing her hair and wanting to look nice, twirling in front of the mirror and enjoying how she looks. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’ve told them to knock it off and they think I’m being too sensitive and that it’s only teasing. Other times they say that looks shouldn’t be something we think about at all but… people do think about looks, it’s just life!

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blackhorsesxx · Yesterday 19:55

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VioletsTale · Yesterday 20:01

The fact that you think you HAVE to look a certain way in order for your daughter not to be embarrassed by you at the school gates, says a lot. I don’t think their attitudes (especially about food) are good and healthy, but I don’t think yours is necessarily either. Ideally there should be a balance.

Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:03

You sound just as damaging.

NinaGeiger · Yesterday 20:04

Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:03

You sound just as damaging.

How?
I thought OP sounded pretty reasonable

Hatty65 · Yesterday 20:06

I actually agree with your MIL and SIL that looks are the least interesting thing about anyone. I also agree that a 7 year old shouldn't be bothered about being 'pretty'. You sound a bit obsessed with how you present yourself and the comment about 'not embarassing her' at the school gates is bizarre.

However, that said, they should not be commenting. I would have a firm word with them on their own to tell them to stop making comments on my DDs appearance in front of her. That it was rude and unacceptable.

If they repeat comments like the ones you've said I would say, 'We don't comment on other people's looks. It's very rude,' and I would leave. I'd also make it clear to them that if this continued then my DD wouldn't be left with them alone and that we would limit our visits considerably.

Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:08

NinaGeiger · Yesterday 20:04

How?
I thought OP sounded pretty reasonable

With all the focus on looks.

crazeekat · Yesterday 20:08

Your daughter sounds fine and so do u. Nothing wrong in being clever and pretty.

Octavia64 · Yesterday 20:11

Many people have been brought up that clearing your plate is polite and not finishing your food is rude.

personally I agree with you and I tended to serve meals family style with dishes in the middle so people could help themselves but your mil and SIL are expressing a commonly held belief.

i do think it’s a little bit sad that a 7 year old cares how she looks (in a make up and pretty dresses sense, not in an “today I’m a ballet dancer and will wear pink and yesterday I was a dinosaur and wore green way”)

Sadius · Yesterday 20:11

NinaGeiger · Yesterday 20:04

How?
I thought OP sounded pretty reasonable

The kids being embarrassed comment- I thought she was going to say her daughter was 17, not 7!
What sort of awful society do we live in if a 7 year old is embarrassed her mum isn't wearing a load of slap?

FKAT · Yesterday 20:11

I would say, 'We don't comment on other people's looks. It's very rude.'

This is good advice. It's rude to constantly make personal comments about looks and people's eating habits. Are they from Yorkshire by any chance? I'm getting "'andsome is as 'andsome does" vibes.

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 20:12

Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

She's clearly learning from you if you're worried about her being embarrassed by your looks at 7. That's not normal. 7 year old girls shouldn't care or even notice what their mother looks like compared to others.

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

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theandl · Yesterday 20:13

@FKATno, not from Yorkshire!

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Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:14

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

Nope my kids dont care what people wear on the school run. It wouldn't cross their mind.

Octavia64 · Yesterday 20:15

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

Not at 7, surely?

teenage years yes.

when I was 7 my favourite thing to wear was a tutu and leggings plus blue pullover. Children at that age tend to like bright dressing up type things, not adult nice dresses and make up.

(worked in a primary for a few years and saw many non uniform days)

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 20:17

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

Not at 7, no. The fact that of all of the things in your post, this has jumped out to so many people should show you just how not normal it is.

swqa · Yesterday 20:18

but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

I found this really upsetting to be honest.

My mum never made a special effort and yet me and my siblings couldn’t have loved her more, and would never have been embarrassed.

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 20:18

I think you're really wrong that a seven year old would normally be concerned about what their mum was wearing at the school gate

Sadius · Yesterday 20:18

Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:14

Nope my kids dont care what people wear on the school run. It wouldn't cross their mind.

I agree! I feel this comment has betrayed the way OP really thinks.

I don't agree with the in-laws attitude to food at all but wondering if they are really trying to counter balance OPs focus on vanity

VioletsTale · Yesterday 20:20

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

Not all kids. I do wonder about the correlation between kids who are like that, who also have parents that think like you.

As an aside, at DD’s old school the “uniform” was trakkies and leggings , should I have changed to that to “not be different “? Would you?😬

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 20:21

I was embarrassed by a hat my dad would wear when I was about 15. Thats the only time I remember registering what my parents wore

I would be really concerned if my seven year old was worrying about what they wore every time they left the house and twirling in front of a mirror regularly. Its very self involved

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 20:22

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

At 7? I didn't care, never actually thought about how parents were dressed. It makes me sad for your 7 year old that you have influenced her in this superficial way already. Your Mil and Sil are trying to give her some core values and teaching her that people won't judge a child for her looks (well, normal people don't). It might be too late for you but atleast let them help your daughter to have a sense of selfworth not linked to looks. You make me think about these tacky American women signing their girls up for beauty competitions. It also sounds like you are monitoring her eating just like you do yours which is an eating disorder waiting to happen.

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 20:22

As an aside, I find boring/vanilla beige/brown/black only type of high street fashion super cringe. Bright and outlandish all the way

SeatbeltExtender · Yesterday 20:23

I’m really fat and wear no make up. I hope my kids can see me for who I am.
Im sad for your daughter.

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 20:24

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 20:21

I was embarrassed by a hat my dad would wear when I was about 15. Thats the only time I remember registering what my parents wore

I would be really concerned if my seven year old was worrying about what they wore every time they left the house and twirling in front of a mirror regularly. Its very self involved

Are you my sister and was the hat green and white?