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To think MIL and SIL shouldn’t stop DD from caring about her appearance?

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theandl · Yesterday 19:53

My MIL and SIL are quite different to me. They’re very much “looks are the least interesting thing about you” people and tend to look down on women who wear makeup, make an effort with clothes etc. They’re also very much of the “go on, have another piece of bread/pudding” school of eating and will make comments if anyone says no to dessert even when full.

I’m not particularly obsessed with looks but I do take pride in my appearance. I exercise, try to keep my weight fairly stable, wear makeup, make an effort with my clothes etc. I have a good job, 3 kids, went to Oxford, lots of hobbies, travel etc, so it’s not as though my appearance is my entire personality, but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc. She’s also bright, funny, loves reading and drawing, does gymnastics and is generally a lovely kid. She just likes pretty things and likes looking nice. Like many little girls I guess she copies me, her mum.

Recently MIL and SIL have started making little comments about it and it’s really starting to get to me. Things like “are we going through the whole wardrobe before we leave?”, “who are you trying to impress?” and “you know nobody really cares what you’re wearing, don’t you?”

The other day DD came downstairs in a new dress she’d picked out and clearly looked very happy with herself, thought she looked nice. SIL laughed and said something like “honestly, you are obsessed with looking pretty. It’s much more important to be clever.” DD just said “I am clever.” And that’s the bit that’s really got to me. I genuinely don’t care what they think about me. If they think I’m too interested in my appearance then fine, I’m an adult and can deal with it. But she’s 7. I don’t think adults need to be making comments to a 7yo about being vain or caring too much about how she looks.

Equally if she’s full and doesn’t want cake or another piece of lasagne, she’ll say “no thank you”, which I think is healthy. MIL will act all offended, as to them not finishing everything that someone has cooked is rude. By which I mean, if let’s say 10 portions of lasagne were cooked for 6 people and the surplus 4 were unfinished, it would be rude for people to say “no thank you” after they had eaten their original full portion and finished everything on their plate, just saying no to seconds.

Obviously I tell her that being kind, funny, clever, brave etc is much more important than being pretty. But I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with her liking dresses and doing her hair and wanting to look nice, twirling in front of the mirror and enjoying how she looks. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’ve told them to knock it off and they think I’m being too sensitive and that it’s only teasing. Other times they say that looks shouldn’t be something we think about at all but… people do think about looks, it’s just life!

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YankSplaining · Yesterday 23:25

YANBU. To put it in “My Little Pony” terms, she’s a Rarity and they’re looking down on her for not being an Applejack or a Rainbow Dash.

Freshrain · Yesterday 23:26

Obviously the part of the opening post suggesting a 7 yr old wants their Mum to look a certain way at the school gates is ridiculous, as many have pointed out, but I think quite a lot of the people commenting that Aunty and Grandma should never comment on her appearance, might have missed the fact that the comments are obviously a reflection on how long they are waiting for her to be ready rather than being personal comments on 'the look'.

Recently MIL and SIL have started making little comments about it and it’s really starting to get to me. Things like “are we going through the whole wardrobe before we leave?”, “who are you trying to impress?” and “you know nobody really cares what you’re wearing, don’t you?”

I can see that would be annoying.

OakleyAnnie · Yesterday 23:26

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

Agreed. I remember turning up on a cold day wrapped in a throw I kept on the sofa. My daughter was horrified. She virtually dragged me away. I didn’t understand why at first but when she explained I realised she thought I was wearing the furniture!

i think you and your daughter sound fine. Ignore this toxicity from MIL and SIL.

GaIadriel · Yesterday 23:28

Obesity loves company!

I bet they'd suddenly be a little 'sensitive' themselves if you pointed out that some people would rather not be a cake scoffing fatty.

Toothsome · Yesterday 23:32

Boopsi · Yesterday 22:33

Sorry OP, but I wonder if your MiL and SiL are trying to counter some unhealthy ideas you are perhaps unwittingly imposing on your daughter.

It is very odd for a 7 year old to notice, let alone care, if their mother has dressed nicely or put make up on at the school gates. I have an 8 year old DD who I pick up with no make up on etc who is just delighted to see me and that it’s home time.

If your DD really does get embarrassed then you have led her to believe that women should be presenting themselves in a certain way. But I suspect any embarrassment may be all in your head, which is a little sad too.

Yes, OP, I think your daughter has internalised some unhealthy stuff from you that they’re trying to counter. I often used to pick up my 7 year old on my way home from a run, so sweaty and mud to the knees. Also an Oxford degree, if we’re still operating on some kind of primitive ‘brains vs pretty’ metric.

GaIadriel · Yesterday 23:38

The SIL/MIL don't sound great though. Badgering people to eat more than they want is annoying af.

Winterhasbeenandgone · Yesterday 23:47

Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:03

You sound just as damaging.

No, she doesn't.

Winterhasbeenandgone · Yesterday 23:54

If looks were actually unimportant to them, they wouldn't give a shit what your child was wearing.

They are performative bohemians. They downplay making an effort but judge harshly on those who do, so it's not that they don't care it's that they think you and your daughter should conform to their standards.

And it's not their place, at all, to comment on your daughter's eating.

But are you sure your daughter is not dressing up to try to please you and that you are not making her feel guilty about wanting a slice of bread or a bit of pudding?

Regardless, tell them clearly and calmly not to comment negatively on how your daughter looks, or what she eats. Ever.

If they have concerns they can raise them with you. If they refuse to do this, see a lot less of them.

Thepossibility · Today 00:00

I'm with you OP. I can remember being young and preferring to wear a nice dress over anything. Also fighting over my sister over who was going to wear the dress!
Nowadays both my sister and I still choose to look nice.
I do stand out a little at school drop off as the only one not wearing beige or grey. My son did comment one time I was under the weather and looking a bit rumpled and sad. So I guess they do quietly like for me to look nice at pick-up.
I honestly do it for myself, I like looking nice, I like my home looking nice. I don't think means there is a deficit in other areas of my personality because of it!
I think MIL and SIL are being rude, and frankly ridiculous. Who are they to decide on another human beings personality and preferences? That is more damaging than anything.

CurlewKate · Today 00:02

Blimey. Bit of a waste of Oxford if you’re worried about your dd being embarrassed by you at the school gate!

CurlewKate · Today 00:05

Thepossibility · Today 00:00

I'm with you OP. I can remember being young and preferring to wear a nice dress over anything. Also fighting over my sister over who was going to wear the dress!
Nowadays both my sister and I still choose to look nice.
I do stand out a little at school drop off as the only one not wearing beige or grey. My son did comment one time I was under the weather and looking a bit rumpled and sad. So I guess they do quietly like for me to look nice at pick-up.
I honestly do it for myself, I like looking nice, I like my home looking nice. I don't think means there is a deficit in other areas of my personality because of it!
I think MIL and SIL are being rude, and frankly ridiculous. Who are they to decide on another human beings personality and preferences? That is more damaging than anything.

Another blimey. Wouldn’t it be more natural to assume your child was worried about you rather than embarrassed by you?

CherryKerry · Today 00:05

Imagine if you had an ugly thick kid, oh the scandal.

Freshrain · Today 00:08

Winterhasbeenandgone · Yesterday 23:47

No, she doesn't.

She really does.

JaneEyreFryer · Today 00:13

I think the comment about it being ‘important to be clever’ is offensive. You are born with intelligence and it isn’t something you can control. Your SIL and MIL shouldn’t encouraging your daughter to place importance on this any more than appearance.

Mirsine · Today 00:14

OnAWhimsy · Yesterday 21:53

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc.

my daughter at this age was not remotely interested in outfits or hair and certainly didn’t even have access to lip balm. Same with her friends. Maybe things have changed now.

All kids are different.

My 8 (I think?🤣) year old niece loves sparkly nail polish, lip balm, hair bows/clips, and clothes. As do her friends. It’s certainly not uncommon.

Winterhasbeenandgone · Today 00:14

Freshrain · Today 00:08

She really does.

Please quote exactly the words you are claiming make her sound just as damaging. Word for word, no inferences.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Today 00:15

Winterhasbeenandgone · Yesterday 23:47

No, she doesn't.

Oh. Yes. She. Does.

Thepossibility · Today 00:17

CurlewKate · Today 00:05

Another blimey. Wouldn’t it be more natural to assume your child was worried about you rather than embarrassed by you?

Haha this child is not shy about giving his opinion, so I don't need to assume anything with him. I don't think he was embarrassed or worried, just commenting on my total lack of effort on my presentation that day.

Bouncywaves · Today 00:18

Nothing wrong with taking pride in your appearance and making the world more colourful. I dont see being fat and dowdy as natural signs of high intelligence and great interpersonal skills - certainly MIL and SIL sound both unpleasant and rude. Do they cook badly and have messy houses to be consistently dreary?

weareallcats · Today 00:21

None of you are reasonable.

Mirsine · Today 00:23

Mumsnet is so fucking weird 🤣

A poster takes pride in their appearance- they get told they’re “damaging” “unhealthy” and “obsessed”.

Yet I’ve read countless other threads about people wearing loungewear/tracksuits or leggings in public and the replies are sheer hysteria of “how chavvy” “take some pride in your appearance”.

Just live and let live ffs. A 7 year old girl liking pretty girly dresses and lip balm is NORMAL! I swear people just love an opportunity to vent out all their insecurities on to threads to try and tear an OP down to make themselves feel better. Such playground bully behaviour.

Fucking hell, some of you would have heart attacks if you saw the ages of some of the young girls who go shopping with their mums to P-Louise and Sephora makeup shops. Clue: they’re a lot younger than OP’s daughter.

Winterhasbeenandgone · Today 00:25

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Today 00:15

Oh. Yes. She. Does.

Nah. Give me exact quotations, the exact words the OP wrote to back up your claim.

Word for word. No inferences.

Winterhasbeenandgone · Today 00:26

Bouncywaves · Today 00:18

Nothing wrong with taking pride in your appearance and making the world more colourful. I dont see being fat and dowdy as natural signs of high intelligence and great interpersonal skills - certainly MIL and SIL sound both unpleasant and rude. Do they cook badly and have messy houses to be consistently dreary?

I honestly did laugh at your "fat and dowdy" as that is exactly how I imagined them both to look 😅I am far, far from glamorous and could definitely lose a stone - but the performative boho nonsense from her fat, dowdy relatives is a bit much.

Redpaisley · Today 00:37

Arlanymor · Yesterday 20:24

I found it upsetting too. Also what has going to Oxford got to do with anything? I know plenty of pricks who went there frankly.

Op is trying to say she is not just focussed on looks but has achieved other things in life. But honestly Op sounds like one of those Type A influencers, who is very motivated with how she appears - in her career, physically, at school gates. I can imagine it must be exhausting trying prove yourself whether to outside world or to own self.

Redpaisley · Today 00:39

Mirsine · Today 00:23

Mumsnet is so fucking weird 🤣

A poster takes pride in their appearance- they get told they’re “damaging” “unhealthy” and “obsessed”.

Yet I’ve read countless other threads about people wearing loungewear/tracksuits or leggings in public and the replies are sheer hysteria of “how chavvy” “take some pride in your appearance”.

Just live and let live ffs. A 7 year old girl liking pretty girly dresses and lip balm is NORMAL! I swear people just love an opportunity to vent out all their insecurities on to threads to try and tear an OP down to make themselves feel better. Such playground bully behaviour.

Fucking hell, some of you would have heart attacks if you saw the ages of some of the young girls who go shopping with their mums to P-Louise and Sephora makeup shops. Clue: they’re a lot younger than OP’s daughter.

Is appearance pride worthy matter?