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To think MIL and SIL shouldn’t stop DD from caring about her appearance?

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theandl · Yesterday 19:53

My MIL and SIL are quite different to me. They’re very much “looks are the least interesting thing about you” people and tend to look down on women who wear makeup, make an effort with clothes etc. They’re also very much of the “go on, have another piece of bread/pudding” school of eating and will make comments if anyone says no to dessert even when full.

I’m not particularly obsessed with looks but I do take pride in my appearance. I exercise, try to keep my weight fairly stable, wear makeup, make an effort with my clothes etc. I have a good job, 3 kids, went to Oxford, lots of hobbies, travel etc, so it’s not as though my appearance is my entire personality, but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc. She’s also bright, funny, loves reading and drawing, does gymnastics and is generally a lovely kid. She just likes pretty things and likes looking nice. Like many little girls I guess she copies me, her mum.

Recently MIL and SIL have started making little comments about it and it’s really starting to get to me. Things like “are we going through the whole wardrobe before we leave?”, “who are you trying to impress?” and “you know nobody really cares what you’re wearing, don’t you?”

The other day DD came downstairs in a new dress she’d picked out and clearly looked very happy with herself, thought she looked nice. SIL laughed and said something like “honestly, you are obsessed with looking pretty. It’s much more important to be clever.” DD just said “I am clever.” And that’s the bit that’s really got to me. I genuinely don’t care what they think about me. If they think I’m too interested in my appearance then fine, I’m an adult and can deal with it. But she’s 7. I don’t think adults need to be making comments to a 7yo about being vain or caring too much about how she looks.

Equally if she’s full and doesn’t want cake or another piece of lasagne, she’ll say “no thank you”, which I think is healthy. MIL will act all offended, as to them not finishing everything that someone has cooked is rude. By which I mean, if let’s say 10 portions of lasagne were cooked for 6 people and the surplus 4 were unfinished, it would be rude for people to say “no thank you” after they had eaten their original full portion and finished everything on their plate, just saying no to seconds.

Obviously I tell her that being kind, funny, clever, brave etc is much more important than being pretty. But I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with her liking dresses and doing her hair and wanting to look nice, twirling in front of the mirror and enjoying how she looks. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’ve told them to knock it off and they think I’m being too sensitive and that it’s only teasing. Other times they say that looks shouldn’t be something we think about at all but… people do think about looks, it’s just life!

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TheBayHorse · Yesterday 22:34

YABU. The school gates comment is a red flag. I'm sure it's possible to be an Oxford graduate and be shallow. Don't pass this stuff on to your daughter.

Sunbringer · Yesterday 22:35

OnAWhimsy · Yesterday 21:53

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc.

my daughter at this age was not remotely interested in outfits or hair and certainly didn’t even have access to lip balm. Same with her friends. Maybe things have changed now.

And when I was 7 I loved that stuff. It’s not about times changing it’s about different people liking different things. Do you think fashion designers didn’t love clothes in childhood? It’s an interest/hobby as much as my sewing, Pilates, gardening and painting is.

OneoftheWeddingPeople · Yesterday 22:39

Urgh hate this moral superiority that liking clothes and fashion somehow makes you a lightweight flibberty gibbet vain thicko unlike worthies like them.

Dd1 was not bothered about clothes dd2 always has been from as soon as she could express a preference. She as a young adult is now massively into fashion - always hunting out amazing finds in vintage shops and heading for a degree in fashion. Why is that any way inferior to any other interest?

LiteraryBambi · Yesterday 22:40

Timeforachange26 · Yesterday 21:16

So if you do t look nice then you can't be a " professional" ?

No, I didn't say that. A school is full of professionals so it's not odd to want to look well presented.

In fact, you never need a reason to look nice or take care or pride in your appearance.

You can do that and be clever, articulate, interesting etc etc.

LivingTheDreamish · Yesterday 22:41

YANBU and I wouldn't be happy about those comments at all. Nothing wrong with caring about your appearance and of course you can stop eating once you're full. You have different values to MIL/SIL and that's totally fine - no judgment either way - but they don't get to influence or make comments about your child. Stick to your guns with telling them to lay off. Hopefully DH backs you up but this is one instance where you should not be afraid to stand up for DD even if it makes things a bit awkward.

Franjipanl8r · Yesterday 22:43

It sounds like you’re treating her far too grown up. You’ve got years ahead of you to worry about being an embarrassment or faffing over what she wears and how she looks. I wonder if comments from others come from a place of just wanting her to just be a child.

She should be doing art and being messy, playing in nature and not really caring about looks aged 7. Those years of innocence are precious and they don’t last long.

PinkyFlamingo · Yesterday 22:45

Happytaytos · Yesterday 20:03

You sound just as damaging.

In what way?

ThisDandyWriter · Yesterday 22:46

VioletsTale · Yesterday 20:01

The fact that you think you HAVE to look a certain way in order for your daughter not to be embarrassed by you at the school gates, says a lot. I don’t think their attitudes (especially about food) are good and healthy, but I don’t think yours is necessarily either. Ideally there should be a balance.

I'm not obsessed with my looks, but I am also conscious that I am presentable when I go out - I certainlu don't go out with a full face, but I make sure my clothes are clean, ironed and acceptable.

labamba007 · Yesterday 22:49

Two things can be true.

I can sense a tinge of superiority, OP and maybe that’s not true but it’s difficult for people to imagine 7 year olds caring what other parents look like. They are very much focused on themselves really. Also the Oxford comment wasn’t really relevant. Does your DD go to private school? I find that it’s more ‘competitive’ on looks at the school gates.

But it’s not appropriate for you mil and sil to criticise DD for her interests.

SeriouslyWhataMess · Yesterday 22:49

I think you have very low self esteem and are compensating massively for that, while projecting it onto your daughter, who is clearly soaking it up like a sponge.

Ohdearnotthisagain · Yesterday 22:54

theandl · Yesterday 20:12

@VioletsTale
Come on, surely we all remember what kids are like? Of course a child can be embarrassed by their parents. If your mum turns up at the school gates in something really bright and outlandish, or is noticeably different from the other mums, a 7yo might absolutely think “Mum, please don’t do that” 😂. Same if they think their parent looks very different from everyone else. That’s just kids being kids and becoming more aware of what other people think.

Nope. You sound quite obsessed with appearances. You need to tone it down as it will impact your daughter more and more as she gets older.

Saying that, your SIL’s comment was awful and you need to tell her and MIL straight that she’ll be spending a lot less time with them if they carry on like that.

InBristol · Yesterday 22:54

The lip balm comment really jumped out at me. A seven year old really should not be considering what their lips looked like.

mixedpeel · Yesterday 22:55

OneoftheWeddingPeople · Yesterday 22:39

Urgh hate this moral superiority that liking clothes and fashion somehow makes you a lightweight flibberty gibbet vain thicko unlike worthies like them.

Dd1 was not bothered about clothes dd2 always has been from as soon as she could express a preference. She as a young adult is now massively into fashion - always hunting out amazing finds in vintage shops and heading for a degree in fashion. Why is that any way inferior to any other interest?

Totally agree. I’ve been really surprised by the majority view on this thread, tbh. And I speak as someone who isn’t massively into clothes etc. But I have managed to figure out that people are all different and into different things, and some of these interests do seem innate, as in the difference you’ve seen between your DDs.

It’s really not vain or shallow to enjoy twirling around in a dress you like at age 7. No more than loving a certain piece of music or enjoying creating art or whatever. Honestly the responses here strike me as pretty joyless.

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · Yesterday 22:57

Octavia64 · Yesterday 20:11

Many people have been brought up that clearing your plate is polite and not finishing your food is rude.

personally I agree with you and I tended to serve meals family style with dishes in the middle so people could help themselves but your mil and SIL are expressing a commonly held belief.

i do think it’s a little bit sad that a 7 year old cares how she looks (in a make up and pretty dresses sense, not in an “today I’m a ballet dancer and will wear pink and yesterday I was a dinosaur and wore green way”)

She’s 7 not 3 lol!

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Yesterday 22:58

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 20:12

Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

She's clearly learning from you if you're worried about her being embarrassed by your looks at 7. That's not normal. 7 year old girls shouldn't care or even notice what their mother looks like compared to others.

This - and the apple isn't falling far from the tree

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 23:00

I think you're all as bad as each other. The MIL and SIL are absolutely right to instil that looks aren't the most important thing, but equally you are correct to instil a healthy attitude towards food. Your comments about how you look suggest that your attitude may have rubbed off a bit too much on your daughter. She's seven! Of course it's fine if she likes pretty dresses - but spending ages getting ready? At seven. Absolutely not.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Yesterday 23:03

PotolKimchi · Yesterday 20:54

I think you tried to present your MIL and SIL as unreasonable and paint them in the worst possible light but I wonder if they are doing this because they sense that you are obsessed with looks, and your child is picking up on it.

Unless it's winter and her lips are chapped, why does a 7 year old need 'lip balm'? Pretty dresses are fine, but surely for the majority of the day she's in leggings and a top- something practical so she can play with ease. Why has the thing that your daughter picked up about you is how you dress and present yourself? I have sons and at 7 and 17 and they literally couldn't care how I dress.

Also, what if you did wear loud colourful clothes? Or that is the kind of clothes a mum in your child's class wears? Are you teaching her to notice that?

When my son was in reception, a very upset girl mum said to me that another girl had said to her: god your coat is so plain. Can't your mum buy you something pretty? And she said to me: where do they learn these ideas from at this very young age. This thread has been very eye opening in that regard...

Agree

AliceMcK · Yesterday 23:07

You sound perfectly reasonable and normal op. I agree with whoever said tell MIL & SIL that is rude to comment on peoples appearances. I’d also respond with just because the food is there dose not mean it needs to be stuffed in, it can be saved for later.

Im a big believer in LC and NC when it comes to toxic families.

Id also be telling your DH to tell his mother and sister to rein their necks in.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Yesterday 23:10

InBristol · Yesterday 22:54

The lip balm comment really jumped out at me. A seven year old really should not be considering what their lips looked like.

Yes, this left out at me

StorageUnit · Yesterday 23:16

I think there is a middle ground but I know what strong opinions can be like in families where others are a certain way compared to someone else.

My in laws are a bit more crass and likely to swear at the drop of a hat or say something uncomfortable. I am more reserved and would prefer if they could dial it down a bit especially around DC. I guess it’s a matter of keeping the peace and not making a fuss.

Thankfully, the visits are short.

Awkwardisfunny · Yesterday 23:16

theandl · Yesterday 19:53

My MIL and SIL are quite different to me. They’re very much “looks are the least interesting thing about you” people and tend to look down on women who wear makeup, make an effort with clothes etc. They’re also very much of the “go on, have another piece of bread/pudding” school of eating and will make comments if anyone says no to dessert even when full.

I’m not particularly obsessed with looks but I do take pride in my appearance. I exercise, try to keep my weight fairly stable, wear makeup, make an effort with my clothes etc. I have a good job, 3 kids, went to Oxford, lots of hobbies, travel etc, so it’s not as though my appearance is my entire personality, but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc. She’s also bright, funny, loves reading and drawing, does gymnastics and is generally a lovely kid. She just likes pretty things and likes looking nice. Like many little girls I guess she copies me, her mum.

Recently MIL and SIL have started making little comments about it and it’s really starting to get to me. Things like “are we going through the whole wardrobe before we leave?”, “who are you trying to impress?” and “you know nobody really cares what you’re wearing, don’t you?”

The other day DD came downstairs in a new dress she’d picked out and clearly looked very happy with herself, thought she looked nice. SIL laughed and said something like “honestly, you are obsessed with looking pretty. It’s much more important to be clever.” DD just said “I am clever.” And that’s the bit that’s really got to me. I genuinely don’t care what they think about me. If they think I’m too interested in my appearance then fine, I’m an adult and can deal with it. But she’s 7. I don’t think adults need to be making comments to a 7yo about being vain or caring too much about how she looks.

Equally if she’s full and doesn’t want cake or another piece of lasagne, she’ll say “no thank you”, which I think is healthy. MIL will act all offended, as to them not finishing everything that someone has cooked is rude. By which I mean, if let’s say 10 portions of lasagne were cooked for 6 people and the surplus 4 were unfinished, it would be rude for people to say “no thank you” after they had eaten their original full portion and finished everything on their plate, just saying no to seconds.

Obviously I tell her that being kind, funny, clever, brave etc is much more important than being pretty. But I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with her liking dresses and doing her hair and wanting to look nice, twirling in front of the mirror and enjoying how she looks. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’ve told them to knock it off and they think I’m being too sensitive and that it’s only teasing. Other times they say that looks shouldn’t be something we think about at all but… people do think about looks, it’s just life!

Perfectly reasonable given the state of our society. However -

"...but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else..."

Can we all stop with this line. It's patently false. None of us get dressed up to go and sit on the sofa. We do it when leaving the house. And we're not carting 6ft mirrors around to look at ourselves constantly.

We want to look nice for the benefit of others, 'because they are the ones who benefit'. But also, to protect our self-esteem, which we've been aggressively conditioned to link to makeup and what we wear. Let's recognise and own it.

And then work on teaching our daughters not to bother with pretty/infantilising dresses, makeup, or 'girly' hairstyles (i.e. costumes), because actually - like it or not - that's precisely why we will never be taken seriously, the way men are. We're always the eye candy. They are the practical ones who look assertive and like they mean business. We look like we played with barbies for two hours that morning and stole their clothes, nails, hair and makeup before coming to work. Stumbling around on impractical stilts / heels.. it's silly and makes us look weak. But.. hard habit to break.

I vote.. we try to get men to join in. All of them! Campaign for them to grow their hair and wear silly, impractical clothes and try walking in heels that destroy their feet(!) - get them to tattoo their eyebrows on. Join us in the nonsense so we never have to change!

Gracez87 · Yesterday 23:20

We had an elderly relative like this, my mum used to say, thanks for your opinion, I don’t recall asking for it. There is nothing wrong with taking care of your appearance and obviously being kind, clever etc is so important but actually taking care of your self also goes a long way.

Illegally18 · Yesterday 23:22

Sunbringer · Yesterday 22:35

And when I was 7 I loved that stuff. It’s not about times changing it’s about different people liking different things. Do you think fashion designers didn’t love clothes in childhood? It’s an interest/hobby as much as my sewing, Pilates, gardening and painting is.

Me too

GreenLeaf25 · Yesterday 23:22

Im with you OP, however on here there is competitive dowdiness and wanting to look as awful as possible. It’s such a shame because putting effort into your appearance is important (why do we think it’s okay to go out in a T-shirt you went to bed in??). Being smart, accomplished, kind, generous and empathetic is important- but also is valuing yourself enough to put the effort into also looking good.

ifone · Yesterday 23:23

Sorry, but I want to delay my DC caring about looks /make up/ fashion etc. as long as possible. If they never do, hurrah!

Why would a 7 year old feel embarrassed by their mother not wearing make up or dressing a certain way?

You say she'd be embarrassed if you didn't fit in at the school gates, but why not teach her it is more important to be yourself?

Also, why does a 7 year old need lip balm? Sutely she doesn't have dry or chapped lips? She's just ingesting chemicals/petroleum.