AIBU to think the PM is ignoring the asylum issue?

[BusyDog]

I’m firmly working class, and I don’t believe that what we need is to spread the asylum seekers around more. The reason I’m annoyed is not because I don’t want them housed by the middle class, but because I think it’s completely ignoring the problem. I think we need secure detention centres whilst the country either approves the application or sends them off home. These will be safe, food provided, clothes, play areas for the children. The accommodation will have the basics like temporary housing does but they can’t leave until application approved or sent home. But they can’t leave and roam UK unless their application is accepted. Anyone who is violent etc and makes it not safe will automatically be sent home.
I liked this prime minister as I thought he had both feet on the ground, but it seems not….!
If he admits it’s not fair only working class has to deal with it, then surely, he admits it’s a problem and he’s not actually addressing it?

YANBU = PM ignoring actual issue
YABU = Issue is that only working class have to deal with them

Where should we build these detention centres ?
Would detention "camps “ be a better word to describe these ?
If they have a play area for kids, should we include a school as well? Should the fence be electrified as well?
How long is it going to take? First we identify the location. Then we fight whoever lives there who doesn’t want a camp. Then we have to assign a budget, go through voting, building, transporting….

There is no easy solution.

Perhaps a little early to write AB off, but certainly he hasn’t addressed the issue yet. The immigration situation - small boats, housing, benefits, security etc will be key to the next GE so he’ll need to deal with it sooner or later.

They all will.

"Send them off home".

Please explain how this would be done.

https://www.reformparty.uk/policies

Give him chance. Parliament is in recess

A link to the Reform UK party policies isn’t explaining MissJoGrant’s question.

I really hope you posting that link was sarcasm.

I’m waiting for his mentioning of the Palestinian genocide…he seems to want to sort out fly tipping first.

Palestine has no effect on people here , fly tipping does .

Had a look. but where is the specific part about "sending them home" ?

Is it not better to present a case like this ?

Here is the part of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights that apply. The UK is a signatory to this and ratified it in 1951. So are legally bound by it.

"Article 14

1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

I clipped that from here :

OHCHR | Universal Declaration of Human Rights - English

There is also the 1951 UN 1951 Refugee convention. The UK also ratified this in 1951, so are legally bound by it. There is a link to the full text to that convention in the UN article below. No need to quote from it really, because for this, the article 14 above is enough.

The 1951 Refugee Convention | UNHCR

I can't see from that Reform manifesto link you posted about how Reform proposes getting around this.

Or course he is ignoring it the same way I’m ignoring cleaning the oven.

It’s a hassle and messy and hard to do so I keep putting it off.

Was it restore who said they would ship them back to France - and would take on the French over it. Sounds extreme but their police/soldiers (that we are paying millions to to stop this) stand by and watch as the boats leave - is it any worse that our soldiers / private company stand by while they are launched back. Somehow French can do whatever but we can't- and don't mention Brexit as that has no relevance in fact it should make it easier for us to send them back.
It does astound me that MPs can witter and whinge avout this as if it's nothing too bad, how can allowing millions of people the large majority of them male (that in itself is so disrupting to society) into a country foundering on huge debt and a burgeoning population and then get angry at anyone pointing out the problems and call it racism.

Good because fly tipping is happening in THIS country.

Love it 😆 🤣

Surely you’re not serious? What on earth has Palestine got to do with the UK? What on earth can the UK do about Palestine, even if it did prioritise Palestine?

Honestly, I’m so sick of all of the people in the UK trotting out banal, virtue signalling gibberish because someone told than it’s the thing to do, without thinking through whether what they are saying holds water intellectually. See also people that state ‘JK Rowling is transphobic’ without being able to name one transphobic thing she’s said or done.

And no Andy Burnham has no intention whatsoever in dealing with immigration as he knows his moronic backbenchers will stop him doing anything anyway.

is it a quarrel in a far away country, between people of whom we know nothing?

Is this a joke?

Why should fly tipping not be a priority?

This is the mentality:

I don't care that men want to dress up as women, so long as they stay out of women's spaces = you're transphobic.

I know that there are good Muslims but I worry about extremists = you're Islamophobic.

I believe in equality but I don't believe in the failed DEI initiatives. = you're racist.

Now you tell me where the nuance and critical thinking is because these are the people telling us they possess it by bucket load.

In a nutshell!

Good. He's UK PM.

Good, fly tipping is a huge problem and impacts the environment and people's lives. No-one wants to live near such a tip. That should be a priority, rather than the conflict you refer to.

Any solution to the asylum issue is going to be very, very expensive.

This ⬆️

Also, very problematic, and almost certainly invoking all manner of legal disputes.
Who has the nerve?