AIBU to think the PM is ignoring the asylum issue?

[BusyDog]

I’m firmly working class, and I don’t believe that what we need is to spread the asylum seekers around more. The reason I’m annoyed is not because I don’t want them housed by the middle class, but because I think it’s completely ignoring the problem. I think we need secure detention centres whilst the country either approves the application or sends them off home. These will be safe, food provided, clothes, play areas for the children. The accommodation will have the basics like temporary housing does but they can’t leave until application approved or sent home. But they can’t leave and roam UK unless their application is accepted. Anyone who is violent etc and makes it not safe will automatically be sent home.
I liked this prime minister as I thought he had both feet on the ground, but it seems not….!
If he admits it’s not fair only working class has to deal with it, then surely, he admits it’s a problem and he’s not actually addressing it?

YANBU = PM ignoring actual issue
YABU = Issue is that only working class have to deal with them

It isn't "unfair". If cheap hotels were chosen it's because they represented best value for money for the tax payer. Is it "fair" for poorer people to pay more tax so that asylum seekers can be put into nicer HMOs than they can afford to live in? Because aside from the camps, this is where we are headed.

Letting in thousands and thousand of (mostly) men into the country every week (many of whom aren’t even genuine asylum seekers, but economic migrants) isn’t fair on the people of Britain though is it. It puts a strain on our resources, housing and has damaged towns and cities with crime such as the emergence of vape and barber shops which are a front for money laundering etc.

The fact that Burnham is talking about ‘making it fair’ shows that he is well aware of the issue it’s causing. These people are leaving a perfectly safe country to come to the UK. Why? Because we haven’t done enough to deter them from coming here in the first place.

Most of that has been tried repeatedly and failed.

Look. I've said this so many times. But leave the ECHR, remove the refugee convention from law. Detian and deport.

The burden shouldn't fall unfairly on people in the poorest areas though.

Hasn’t he put together a cross party group on immigration or did I dream that?

I haven’t voted because I don’t agree with either statement.

You don't think national security is linked to immigration? I know I do.

I thought it wasn’t a burden.

And now it suddenly is.

The ‘boats’ have become a lot larger though haven’t they? Some of them are basically inflatable barges.

I don't understand why they pass through multiple multiple multiple safe and pleasant EU countries to risk death to come here.

Europe is starting to rewrite the ECHR. Boat Boys’ days are numbered - or do we’re told.

I agree. Every politician is playing a game, moving asylum seekers around from one place to another because they have no solution to the problem. He's peddling the line that the numbers of boat crossings are down while cunningly ignoring the fact they soared under Labour and there's no evidence that this isn't just another fluctuation in numbers.

Numbers are down very substantially in less than a year. So progress is being made, we just need more progress.

It's always been a burden in my opinion. It just seems that people who like to pat themselves on the back for being 'middle class' were happy to ignore it when it wasn't affecting them.

The problem is UK doesn’t have reciprocal arrangements with some countries. Those who claim asylum and who ultimately are not given refugee status can just abscond.

I’ve never known communities and society to be so divided, fragmented and unhappy/under stress. We had a pre-2008 and post 2008 world/economy and it’s just getting worse.

I so hope this is the case

Well I'm going to just say it. Whichever PM finds a way to subvert human rights/asylum obligations, is the one who will be a national hero. Regardless of what the lefties say, it's a pressing issue that's becoming more perilous to our own citizens. I'm no longer interested in sugar coating it.

I hear you and yes that was the case. Non mc were demonised for objecting. By Labour and supporters.

I still think Burnham has made his problem bigger now, as nearly everyone will object (bar a few on mn) and show dissatisfaction. Which often leads to vote loss.

@ComeAndGetBiriyaniIt’s not about safety. It’s about being in the uk. Many speak English. There’s no advantage to them stopping elsewhere but some actually do. We are not the only country with asylum seekers!

If it was possible to “send them home” don’t we think it would have been done before now? As for small boats - they are getting much bigger. There is no easy solution to this and Reform hasn’t got one - they are just posturing as usual. Brexit was meant to secure borders wasn’t it? Believe Farage and you believe anything.

One way of reducing hotel use is to give these people right to remain - - I suspect that is the easiest option for the Gov

The drop in migration is due mostly to fewer immigrants rather than more emigrants. The numbers of people arriving in small boats has drastically decreased this year too.

So, the question is, if net migration is directly relatable to climate change, social care, the NHS, the mental health of our young people, energy security, national security why aren't all those improving in line with the drop? How do you think these things are affected by immigration?

The graph paints a grim picture under Labour and unless they can get numbers back to 2023 levels, they're simply trying to fix the mess they've created not make 'progress'.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/

I think Reform have the right ideas - we need to start imprisoning the boards of major companies, get rid of judges who don’t agree with us and open up a huge political and economic conflict with our main trading partners. Sensible policies for a prosperous UK 👍

I don't understand why they pass through multiple multiple multiple safe and pleasant EU countries to risk death to come here

Benefits for life, free housing. No input required. You don’t get such a good £££ deal in the rest of Europe. You get a bit of it but you have to obey the law/get a job, etc - uk doesn’t have the citizen agreements Europe does.

Indeed. And people seem to forget they are protected by it as well.

I have just found the reform policy. And it says - oh, I can't quote because the document is an image. I cant copy the text.

Basically, leave the ECHR, disapply the 1951 refugee convention, the UN anti torture treaty, and the EU anti trafficing.

No mention of article 14 of the UN human rights thing.

And note the name they have given to policy : OPERATION RESTORING JUSTICE.

Looks to me Reform are a bit confused about what the word JUSTICE means. Here is their policy paper :

Operation Restoring Justice | Reform UK (reformparty.uk)