AIBU to think the PM is ignoring the asylum issue?

[BusyDog]

I’m firmly working class, and I don’t believe that what we need is to spread the asylum seekers around more. The reason I’m annoyed is not because I don’t want them housed by the middle class, but because I think it’s completely ignoring the problem. I think we need secure detention centres whilst the country either approves the application or sends them off home. These will be safe, food provided, clothes, play areas for the children. The accommodation will have the basics like temporary housing does but they can’t leave until application approved or sent home. But they can’t leave and roam UK unless their application is accepted. Anyone who is violent etc and makes it not safe will automatically be sent home.
I liked this prime minister as I thought he had both feet on the ground, but it seems not….!
If he admits it’s not fair only working class has to deal with it, then surely, he admits it’s a problem and he’s not actually addressing it?

YANBU = PM ignoring actual issue
YABU = Issue is that only working class have to deal with them

That’s absolutely remarkable.
Why can’t this country do the same, especially in light of our galloping away increasing welfare budget and debt mountain this country has.
It can only be by design.that the idiots in charge of this country are dragging the country into financial Armageddon.

Exactly the issue

People don't seem to realise that immigration is cumulative. So whether it goes up or down slightly year on year doesn't take away from the fact that the UK population has increased by 10 million upwards (and probably more like 15 million) over the past 25 years and that has a massive effect on infrastructure (which govts haven't increased) the NHS etc. Anyone my age (50s) or even younger can see this and the massive deterioration in those services to say nothing of our increase in debt because most of these people have been a net cost as anyone is who earns less then around £45k pa.

Did anyone see the impassioned plea from a lady on a Mike in Bicester ? She has her daughter with her which I'm not sure about but she said as a woman its hard enough to keep safe and be safe let alone seeding in thousands of men with different expectations of women .

Very very sad.

When you've got old age pensioners being dragged off benches and raped, then the gloves are off. Our little girls, now our elderly men FFS.

Omfg. Sickening. Where will it end. So disturbing.

Yes - the blackberrying part made me think. I would be very wary of taking a country walk if I knew that an open asylum place was nearby.

The pensioner rapist arrived in a small boat and was obviously allowed to roam free once here. Imagine if you had come across him in a lonely spot?

That isn’t entirely true.

Immigrants to the UK with the right to work are, on average, a net gain for the taxpayer. More so than the population that’s born here, since adult migrants arrive during their prime working years and the UK avoids the upfront cost of their education.

Asylum seekers on the other hand are a net drain because they don’t have the right to work. Hence the UK needs to improve the process to either get them working asap or remove them.

@MaturingCheeseball well that man seemed to go for a different demographic .

It's beyond sickening and worrying and the woman saying it's hard enough for us without this added layer of stress and medieval culture coming in that specifically denergrates women and punishes them for being women.

@Bikenutz it's hard as we also have to balance what's right for us and with young people of all ages and education levels strughling to find work we need to think about them as well.

Immigrants with the right to work who do work and work full time and earn over £38k a year are neutral or a net gain. Those coming in to join family often don't work and are a net drain. 62,000 visas in the last year for dependants. Those granted asylum from the boats are generally not well educated and probably end up in low paid jobs, if they work, and are also a net drain.

"Average" hides a multitude of sins that pro immigration people always hide behind. A few FTSE CEOs at £5m a year (and AI suggests that 45% of FTSE 350 CEOs are immigrants). will offset a very large number of immigrants who work a minimum wage job and claim benefits.

Yes agreed.

why can australia do this but we can’t?

How much is the Boriswave of immigration costing taxpayers?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/ef71366e-2b4e-4be8-827f-949184ac0ead?shareToken=89ad0d773e2de5d4abebb280f06c26c3

Shows that asylum seekers cost us £550k each.

Because Australia is not a divided society, the majority are in agreement.

They don’t belong to an external court system. Ie the ECHR

This is a very salient point. Pro-immigration are most certain communities eg Bangladeshi/Pakistani (not immigrants who came earlier/middle class by and large) which is now a formidable voting bloc, anti-establishment Green types and the indoctrinated, and also those with a vested interest: lawyers, translators, accommodation/facility providers and on and on.

Altogether this forms a sizeable, vocal and aggressive body that does not give a flying wotsit about safety, culture or the taxpayer as long as their snouts cannot be ousted from the trough.

Australians also view border security as a basic fundamental government duty. Whether left or right, it’s bipartisan.

For some reason the media and politicians have convinced many it’s not a duty. The duty is to not mind the lack of checking.

And if you do mind there’s a whole raft of names Starmer (yes he’s gone tf) / the media and others will use to get you to pls desist in doing so.

Agree with you he needs to address the problem. Otherwise people will be leaving the Uk. Just pushing problems into better areas is not the answer. Is that what he did in Manchester? I respect Andy Burnham but he needs to deal with the issue properly.

Burnham is transferring his successes in his mayoral role to his role as PM. Small wins gratefully received if the big issues are being dealt with. And no, I dont.have the answers.

What has disappointed has been the prevarication with the PC Harper issue and how his initial positive dialogue with the family quickly changed but has now changed back undoubtedly fuelled by public outcry. His widow Lissie demanded a meeting given the distress caused.

Second is his refusal to visit Piddington where 1200 asylum seekers are due to be housed in a village of 360. Yet isnt he on a meet/greet tour. No 10 has stated he has no time.

It shows someone avoidant of very difficult issues and possible painful confrontation with those it really affects. Its commonplace amongst MPs, but he is PM.

Just a personal feeling.of unease.

You can't work out net cost in the same way for immigrants, they won't have benefitted from a free education, might not have children here, they are generally of working age so are probably younger and fitter than the "average" citizen too so don't use the NHS as much.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

This is quite a interesting article from last year about Australian attitudes to immigration, it isn't as simple as you make out

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/04/australians-want-less-migration-but-oppose-cutting-international-student-numbers-study-finds

https://x.com/Robbie_Reasons/status/2090115272711590140/photo/1

The Home Office is now publishing a How not to rape guide for asylum seekers.

Was just thinking about this as well. But there's a big group of MNers who'll just say "there are white rapists too"

Yes they’ll be along in a minute,