AIBU to think the PM is ignoring the asylum issue?

[BusyDog]

I’m firmly working class, and I don’t believe that what we need is to spread the asylum seekers around more. The reason I’m annoyed is not because I don’t want them housed by the middle class, but because I think it’s completely ignoring the problem. I think we need secure detention centres whilst the country either approves the application or sends them off home. These will be safe, food provided, clothes, play areas for the children. The accommodation will have the basics like temporary housing does but they can’t leave until application approved or sent home. But they can’t leave and roam UK unless their application is accepted. Anyone who is violent etc and makes it not safe will automatically be sent home.
I liked this prime minister as I thought he had both feet on the ground, but it seems not….!
If he admits it’s not fair only working class has to deal with it, then surely, he admits it’s a problem and he’s not actually addressing it?

YANBU = PM ignoring actual issue
YABU = Issue is that only working class have to deal with them

Some of those young men interviewed said that their goal was to reach the UK. The incident was fuelled by SM misinformation.

Yes but the ‘burden’ part is new from Labour. Starmer just blamed the public for getting it wrong. Used insult etc and went on the attack. Obviously people kicked back on that and he was ousted.

But now it’s not an enriching experience that only the worst don’t like. Labour has a problem everywhere, including leafy affluent Piddington.

Have you fallen for the PR that he personally has to spend any significant amount of time on any of those things?

Yes the change to "burden" is very interesting and welcome.

So you want little children who have fled horrible situations detained for, usually, over a year? No right to education, outside air,

😂 Children do get air to breathe from the cruel British with their wicked ways. And schooling.

Ever thought what a piece of shit their mummy is to put them into a small boat?

Incredibly dangerous, pretty much all crossing deaths are kids and women.

Dealing with wildfires v dealing with covid, Ukraine and BLM riots simultaneously. Burnham hasn't even had a taste of the Premiership yet. He wanted it, he's got it.

Yes but if you put up an application centre in other countries, as some suggest, you will see similar demand and more. It’ll be overwhelmed.

You don’t see how these are connected to raise in immigration numbers?

Hang on, I thought there weren’t any kids and women? They’re all ‘fighting age’ men.

Give him chance blimey

Andy Burnham is focused on fairness though and that's what this proposal is about. The burden of asylum seekers should be spread around. They've already been placed in 'leafy Cheshire towns' like Knutsford for example - the residents survived and will do so again.

How many do you think we should take then? What’s your upper limit? Do you even have an upper limit???

You appear to completely have missed my point that they were already being spread around. The change is mostly PR and a move to using camps to reduce cost.

But OP wants them in a detention centre, not mixing or integrating with the society in general.

Also, not all asylum seekers enter by boat.

Not as a primary cause, no. Have these radically improved in line with the dramatic drop in net migration over the last couple of years?

And you've completely missed my point that their current distribution is unfair and Andy Burnham is right to address this.

He’d been planning his coup for a year, you’d think tackling the boats issue was something he’d considered properly.

That depends on how you see the issue though.

If you think it’s a life enriching duty to help those arriving here fur a better life then why do you need to everyone to pay their part as if it were a burden?

And if you think it’s a burden then why don’t you do something about it?

it’s the mixed messages that muddy the water.

Indeed! About 60% of asylum seekers last year did not arrive by small boat.

I am pleased that the small boat numbers are falling. They are down by nearly half. However we need to take the numbers down to near zero. We need to be stopping the boats at source, working with the French to seize or hole boats so they cannot be used, destroying the smuggling gangs and stepping up the one in one out returns. I would limit asylum seekers movements to the immediate base and its surrounds.

YANBU but we've had multiple threads on this before.

It raises the issue to mc objection, ie Piddington’s polite referendum, it moves it away from wc people who were lambasted for objecting.

And people get to vote and if they don’t want this it might not work out for him.

You do realise how the drop in net migration came about?

It does make things worse because many high taxpayer and qualified workers are leaving.

We still have hundreds of thousands of tax payers dependents incoming.

I’m unconvinced he considered anything properly and certainly not in detail. He comes across as someone who has wanted this role all of his life and yet is completely unprepared when he actually gets it.

The trouble with calls for detention centres is that they are often driven more by emotion than by evidence of what works. Australia has them but they also have other policies to support (and they are thousands of miles from the places where asylum seekers come from).

The asylum and immigration system needs broader reform. Detention centres alone will not solve the problem, particularly when the number of people displaced by conflict, instability and climate change is expected to rise significantly in the coming decades. They are, at best, a sticking plaster on a much deeper wound.

A more effective approach would include creating safe and legal routes for people to apply for asylum from outside the UK, alongside stronger return agreements with other countries.

Also, asylum should primarily be about providing protection to those in need, with settlement and citizenship granted only where there are compelling or exceptional circumstances. Family reunification arrangements should also be reviewed to ensure they are sustainable.