AIBU to think the PM is ignoring the asylum issue?

[BusyDog]

I’m firmly working class, and I don’t believe that what we need is to spread the asylum seekers around more. The reason I’m annoyed is not because I don’t want them housed by the middle class, but because I think it’s completely ignoring the problem. I think we need secure detention centres whilst the country either approves the application or sends them off home. These will be safe, food provided, clothes, play areas for the children. The accommodation will have the basics like temporary housing does but they can’t leave until application approved or sent home. But they can’t leave and roam UK unless their application is accepted. Anyone who is violent etc and makes it not safe will automatically be sent home.
I liked this prime minister as I thought he had both feet on the ground, but it seems not….!
If he admits it’s not fair only working class has to deal with it, then surely, he admits it’s a problem and he’s not actually addressing it?

YANBU = PM ignoring actual issue
YABU = Issue is that only working class have to deal with them

I agree and I think this will be the issue that loses him the next GE.

Enoch Powell in his River of Blood speech was right. There are too many people in this Country wherever they come from. The infrastructure just can't cope and everyone is suffering because of this and that is why there is so much ill feeling towards immigrants that will only escalate ( as it is already) unless there is a Prime minister with the balls to stop illegal immigration.

Pisstake all you want, Reform is the only party who is prepared to tackle this with the hard line of that Poland takes.

How do I think national security is affected by the arrival of thousands of unvetted young men?

Are you seriously asking that?

As for the rest, the numbers in are overwhelming, drop or not, and with net contributors leaving the funding is getting more and more difficult.

If they can't speak English, I bet they know what "Benefits" and "Social Security" means.

We can't send them home as we are party to human rights laws. If we weren't, we'd just detain them and send them back to their country of origin. The USA for all its ills now just ignores asylum claims and sends them back. Many nations simply aren't party to the refugee convention.

Thanks for the link, but pointing to the Reform UK website doesn’t actually answer the logistical and legal barriers. The website is full of political slogans, but independent policy experts, human rights lawyers, and economists have heavily fact-checked Reform's 'Operation Restoring Justice' blueprint and highlighted three major reasons why it breaks down in the real world:

Firstly, foreign countries aren't obliged to take people back. You cannot simply load people onto a plane and drop them off in another country. Under international law, a receiving nation must formally accept them.

Reform’s plan to solve this involves sending billions of pounds of British taxpayer money to hostile, corrupt, or sanctioned foreign regimes (including the Taliban😱💀 ) to bribe them into taking deportees. Aside from the moral mess of funding dictators, loads of countries refuse forced deportations out of national pride, and no unilateral UK law can force them to open their runways to British charter flights.

Secondly, if a migrant destroys their passport and refuses to state their origin, a state cannot legally or physically assign them a nationality. Reform’s solution is to build massive, secure detention centers to hold tens of thousands of people indefinitely to force cooperation. Building Category B prison-style camps on this scale ("within 18 months 🤔) is physicallt and legally impossibe.

Thirdly, Reform says they will just withdraw from the ECHR and repeal the Human Rights Act to bypass legal challenges. This is totally ignoring the fact that the UK is still bound by other stuff like international treaties, devolution agreements (like the Good Friday Agreement), and other UK laws that block sending people to places where they're gong to be facing torture/death.

Leaving the ECHR doesn't give Nige's proposed government a blank cheque to ignore basic legal realities!

Linking to a the Reform website is easy, but it doesn't solve a complex logistics problem. How do Reform actually plan to bypass these barriers without bankrupting the taxpayer or turning the UK into an international pariah?

Would I risk death for a slightly easier time? I'd just stay in the EU. Many people here also clamour to return to the EU as well don't they?

Enoch Powell was an immensely intelligent man. Lazily dismissed as a racist.

But let me turn your question back at you.

If immigration is so good for the country then why are we in the state we’re in?

Surely we must be drowning in milk and honey by now?

Yes, but do you think that these sorts of policies could actually make things catastrophically worse?

Yes, but it seems odd that while the total numbers of people arriving on small boats has fallen quite considerably in recent years, there is now this apparent fixation on the size of the boats instead. At the height of the problem nobody ever said 'The number of arrivals is higher than ever but there's only ten or so to a boat so it's not so bad'. If one really big boat with 1000 people showed up every year that would be a vast improvement on now, but you'd still have the Telegraph screeching about the size of the boat, Nigel Farage still rubbing his trousers on the white cliffs, and 100 threads a week on MN about it.

It does look like the government might (might) just be getting a grip on what is a really difficult problem that has no quick fix. But it seems a large number of people aren't really interested in that and won't be happy unless Andy Burnham whangs on about it 24/7 and comes up with a policy that amounts to 'Just send em all back/put gun boats in the Channel'. And then when that doesn't work they can carry on and on.

How much is our unelected Andy Burnham PM.without a mandate from the people prepared to pay to house these illegals? I thought the UK was on it's knees in debt but heyho lets rent luxury houses in very expensive areas no expense spared to put the illegals ( call them what you want ) in these houses never mind it's tax payers who have to pay for them. It's a good recruiter policy for The Reform Party

Yes, but it’s not quite the smart move he thinks it is. There may be some support in areas already housing illegal immigrants, where resentment means people are quite happy for the middle classes to take one for the team too. But most people will also have noticed the admission implicit in that aim: that there will be no effective attempt to stop the boats.

And that simply isn’t going to wash. The mood across large parts of the country seems to be that people don’t want more illegal immigration anywhere. Burnham’s attempt to leverage class envy is therefore likely to do little more than hand more votes to Reform.

To put it bluntly, we need to start puncturing some inflatables.

It’s depressing, isn’t it. To think Enoch Powell’s made a comeback.

Who can argue person A’s economic migration plans outweigh person B suffering from social unrest, non-existent housing and healthcare?

As for it being a race issue, in London the people who are shafted most by illegals are black. Virtue signallers ignore this, the rest of us don’t.

He's been elected, by his constituents. We never vote for the PM in the UK, that role is taken on by the leader of the winning party at the General Election, and if that leader changes, so does the PM.
This happened with various Conservative PMs recently. There's quite a precedent.

Boat numbers were down because the boat and engine supply were temporarily disrupted. They have now established new supply chains with huge boats and the rest of the year will be interesting to watch. I've also read that numbers arriving in private planes, small private boats, and hidden in freight by traffickers are believed to be rising but are hugely difficult to track if they don't claim asylum.

This is huge business run by organised crime gangs, they aren't just going to stop until we dissuade their customer base from paying for their services.

There are far more illegal immigrants in the country than are counted. Large numbers which we don't officially seem to count go missing before or during the asylum process. Spain recently issued an amnesty to the half a million they thought they had in the country. They closed the scheme when 1,174,978 applications had been received. (And the storming of Ceuta is the result of that amnesty, too).

Most regular people are worrying about, particularly when you live in an area that has been flooded by foreign men who stand around in big groups, showing absolute disrespect and being intimidating towards women and school girls. Wakey wakey. Just because you haven’t been affected by it doesn’t mean that others haven’t.

What could be worse? We've got women and girls increasingly at risk in our own country. That's aside from the broader issue of mass infiltration and a threat to our national security.

But those areas may not have suitable places for asylum seekers to be accommodated. It makes far more sense to accommodate them in former military bases than in hotels, the costs must be much less.

What would make a difference would be to speed up the asylum decision and appeals process. I believe it takes around 6 months for the initial decision, and at least the same again to get an appeal decision.

Let’s see. Numbers are going up again as new launch sites are found.

Yes always money for this cause

yet certain about changing retirement dates, council taxes (we all pay enough), tax on savings, drive per mile charges, raising income tax etc

Leave the ECHR (possible), leave and the refugee convention. And yes if they scrap and destroy their passports keep them in immigration detention. The USA and India also have large scale immigration detention centres. In India destructive of your passport is a criminal offense.

They don't allow them into the community

The hilarity of a Reform supporter calling Any Burnham 'unelected' 🤣🤣🤣

Of Reform's eight MPs, FIVE were actually elected for the Tories and then defected to Reform!