What is going on in this house?

[Neighbourmystery]

Right, this is going to sound nosy but here goes...
A house in a street I know was owned by an old lady with no family. When she died, her house stood empty for nearly a year then it started having work done. It's been bought by a health service far away from he town we live in (think I live in Liverpool and NHS Devon and Cornwall bought it) BTW these are not the real locations. So, they do lots of renovations, including putting a much higher fence up which has a key code entry they also put frosted film on every window. There's a new build extension on the side with coded keypads too. This is where 2 carers are. There are 4 carers altogether, 2 at a time and then a swap. There is one man who lives there . He is in his 30s , able bodied can move well etc I've seen him once or twice in the garden in a whole year. Another twice I saw a darkened van come to get him. He was only gone for an hour or so then back.
I cannot imagine the scenario this might be. I'm not curtain twitching and permanently watching but I am fascinated.

Well the one across the road from me is just one person and four carers although it's 2 at a time. it is much more common than you're suggesting I also know people who work supporting people in supported accommodation falls back it all depends on what care package they can access.

I would have thought that was more expensive, especially just for one person at a time - I don't know though. It's definitely more dignified - if they aren't ill and haven't committed any crimes, it's only fair they aren't "confined". I just didn't think the NHS had much money for dignity, sadly. If it is the case imagine it must be someone who can't live alongside housemates because supported living is often communal, especially at the ratios you describe.

I'm a nosy cow, this would have me intrigued too. I have my work desk facing onto my street just to I can be nosy, but sadly there's very little of interest near me. We did have armed police out at xmas though, and a woman a few doors down who really enjoys a good screaming match in the street with her man of the month but she has been very settled of late.

In seriousness, there is no harm in asking - the staff should have a standard answer without compromising anyone's privacy.

If you look at the council planning you may see a change of use application. Does sound like assisted living to me. I’ve had dealings with witness protection in the past and the houses they go to are normal properties

An extremely small number of people get this type of care because as you say it's so expensive. My understanding is it would normally be people who have been very long term inpatients, eg in secure psychiatric units. There's specific funding and policies for getting people who have been in inpatient care for 5+ years out of hospital, for example (these are referred to as Transforming Care patients). Some of these will be forensic patients. Also compared with the cost of inpatient care long term my understanding is it's still cheaper although I don't know how exact costs compare.

I think almost all of us would be curious if we lived near a house like this. My guess is that it's someone with autism or some cognitive issue who wants to live independently (ie outside of group living) but needs considerable support. Its possible that they were living independently and got mixed up in some county lines type thing, hence having to live outside of the area.

Although I would imagine that the idea of independent living would be to come and go as you please which doesn't really seem to be happening.

I agree, but some photos would be useful.

Could be someone with a brain injury, commonly their care comes from NHS rather than social care. They can look normal and able but sometimes have very unpredictable behaviour, which would explain the 2 carers.

Every need . He clearly has other needs that aren't physical.

Not in this type of setting no. I'm.not sure why the hostility. My tone and discussions on here have been clear and polite. Other posters have also been the same even when differing in opinion to me being nosy

Nope , not a need for an eye roll. It's not matching in tone with how I'm speaking to everyone

Because you keep banging on about him being 'healthy and able bodied', when you know that people will mental health issues can need carers too.

That and the fact that assuming you aren't non verbal, you can quite simply ask a carer what the building is being used for nowadays 🤷‍♂️

Not the same at all but what’s hugely common is something like my elderly neighbour who has a care package of two carers 4 times a day. Hugely expensive. It’s just another level of care required I suppose 🤷🏻‍♀️

My guess is he's done something dodgy and the high security is there for his own safety...
And I think it's only natural to wonder about strange goings on in one's neighbourhood so not sure why the OP is getting so much flack for being "nosey"!

I'm not banging on, I was reiterating to other pp why I thought it was unusual. I will not ask.a carer as its none of my business in real life which is why I'm.chatting on here!

Are you in Wolferton and live by the Andrew formerly known as as Prince?

Hahahaha now that's a thought! I think I preferred the Elvis theory

Also just to add generally the reason they get it is because they have a legal right to free aftercare under section 117, it's not provided out of the goodness of anyone's heart sadly. The NHS might not actually own the house either, I think these can be bought and refurbished by private housing providers for a specific patient, and then 'rented' to that person but the rent is paid for by housing benefit. The NHS would commission the care and housing providers as opposed to purchasing the house themselves. I think that's how it works in some cases but details can differ.

Because I refuse to believe anyone doesn't realise that there are community facities (in ordinary houses up and down the country) for people with mental health problems, learning disabilities, autism etc.

OK so I randomly started a thread pretending to be nosy about this house. Odd, but ok.

And yet you won't ask a completely normal run of the mill question to the carer next time you see them 🙄

Neighbourmystery - check out your local planning applications and see what they submitted the planning for, my guess is mental health facility for high level need / but I find it strange they would need it miles away

Have you been on the council's planning portal?

Is it a sort of "half-way house" for people newly released from psychiatric units?

If you want to find out, you'll need binoculars (preferably night-vision type) and a comfy chair to sit on while you watch.

Please keep us posted.

Because privacy and security are clearly important to them so I don't want to compromise that.