Bring back the death penalty in this case

[ThisWiseRobin]

AIBU to wish for the death penalty. How a mother can kill her baby with a hairdryer.
I read this to my husband who asked me to stop and was crying.
I'm Christian and am taught that all but one sin is forgivable.
BUT Our Lord also said that to harm one little one , you are better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.
While some interpretations claim it means misleading them, I think it's much more than this.
Today I feel bereft of love for the human race.
Of course this monster will claim Domestic violence, drugs , mental health etc.
I hope, as there is no death penalty, that she spends the rest of her life begging to die.
Sorry right now, all I can say is "Father forgive them. For they know not what they do".....because right now I Can't.

Yes. And it makes sense that they do. Because someone committing a crime will have a "feel" if they have crossed the death penalty threshold. And when they do, they have totally nothing to lose.

After all, if you are going to be executed for one murder, what difference do more murders make ?

There would be people on a jury who would believe some sob story from her legal team, or who would never send someone to her death because of their opposition to the death penalty.

So life imprisonment is the alternative to a hung jury and possibly no conviction.

Yes. It is rather sickening.

Basing the justice system on one rando poster (who doesn't come back)'s interpretation of a work of fiction from thousands of years ago?

Sounds like a great idea. Why not?

That’s not how it works. You can’t pick and choose or introduce the death penalty for one case . Also why would YOU need to forgive anyone? Isn’t that up to your Lord to do? If you believe in him, you believe that this woman will be suitably punished for her actions… or not.

However , you seem to think you’re above all that and it’s all about you and your feelings.A blood thirsty Christian, how novel!

WHY did they remove the laugh emoji? WHY?!?!?

I don’t agree and neither does the law or else everyone would get the same conviction and sentence. Of course the death of the child is equally sad but there can absolutely be different levels of culpability and guilt.

Bringing emotion into any criminal case is just one of many reasons why the death penalty must never be reintroduced. How we might feel about a case is irrelevant. No civilised society should ever have capital punishment.

I'm a Christian too and my faith teaches me that all life is sacred, and that we have no right to end it. So no, I won't use my faith as an excuse for retributive 'justice'.

In fact I don't think faith has any place in the justice system at all, and I say that as someone who goes to Mass every Sunday.

What does the death penalty actually achieve? Does it deter murders, no, will it bring back the victim also no.

Nobody is 'trying to excuse' them. Whatever gave you that idea?

The death penalty doesn't really hurt the person you put to death. It hurts their family. Who are innocent.

However, I do think that people who have commited murder should be able to request euthanasia if they wish to.

No, it’s implied in the title it’s not going to be a thread about baking cakes. Do people really need spoon fed this information?

And the people who have to be present, prison governor, prison officers who have to escort the condemned, the doctors who have to certify death. Not to mention the executioners themselves. Some of whom have committed suicide.

The thread title makes no mention of child abuse. And yes, some abuse survivors do need this information before they open a thread.

And the OP got the meaning of the Bible verse wrong.

Jesus was not talking about physical harm done to children. He was saying people should be like children and believe what he, Jesus, was saying. And that if anyone tries to turn them away from believing in him, then it is the de-convertor who should be killed.

According to Jesus, If I, as an apostate Christian, now atheist, tell the OP to not believe, then it is me for the chop. It's the one sin that can't be forgiven. According to Jesus.

Did you not read the bit in the bible that says "thou shalt not kill"?

Or the bit that says "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Maybe focus on that plank in your own eye before calling on MN for the death of others.

There is a fairly common argument among US evangelicals that the death sentence is good because most of the condemned convert to Jesus while on death row. And apparently, many of the people doing the work feel they are doing "The Lords Work". They are killing the person, but saving the soul.

Yup. That logic makes my head spin, but plenty believe it.

You were taught that all but ONE sin is forgivable??

OK, well I’d add child abuse to that.

Where was your god to protect this innocent baby? And the millions of abused children, many of which were abused by the church…

I think Blyton was actually a lot more subversive than most people think. Oh, she kept publishers happy with her family values, but there's a streak of strong feminism/challenge to accepted norms there.

We interpret those verses differently, I guess, which happens a lot with The Bible.

The death penalty is never the answer, regardless of the crime. Justice should protect society, hold people accountable, and uphold the value of human life without resorting to execution. Societies that still use capital punishment are on the wrong side of human rights.

Relying on (and misunderstanding) claptrap from the bible only weakens the argument. Scripture is not authority - it’s merely myths and stories.

OP, according to,the BBC report, “expert witness Dr Timothy Burge, a burns specialist, told the court that it was his view the heat injuries did not cause the baby's death.
"It could have been that she was already dead," he said.”

In which case, you would be putting to death a mother who did not kill her baby. I could quite believe that this mother found her baby dead and in her intoxicated state, tried to “revive” it or warm it up with the hairdryer, because if the baby had died, it would be cold.

Obviously I don’t know what happened, and the verdict came quite quickly, but if there is any benefit of the doubt to be given, then surely the OP as a Christian would wish to do so. I don’t think it’s at all Christian to wish for the death penalty for anyone, or indeed to wish for them to live the rest of their life in torment - as I dare say this mother undoubtedly will.

I clicked the wrong option by mistake, YABU

Reading more into this case, it seems the baby might have died or been unconscious first from hypothermia, and the mother was attempting to warm her head and hands up, then passed out leaving the heat on her.

Horrifying, either way.