Bring back the death penalty in this case

[ThisWiseRobin]

AIBU to wish for the death penalty. How a mother can kill her baby with a hairdryer.
I read this to my husband who asked me to stop and was crying.
I'm Christian and am taught that all but one sin is forgivable.
BUT Our Lord also said that to harm one little one , you are better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.
While some interpretations claim it means misleading them, I think it's much more than this.
Today I feel bereft of love for the human race.
Of course this monster will claim Domestic violence, drugs , mental health etc.
I hope, as there is no death penalty, that she spends the rest of her life begging to die.
Sorry right now, all I can say is "Father forgive them. For they know not what they do".....because right now I Can't.

Perfectly in keeping with what a rage-baiting, Right-wing troll-infested cesspit MN has become.

There's been some horrific cases is the press recently. Some people believe that the death penalty is appropriate in these cases. They're wrong but they think that

Fundamentalist Christian bots

Are you a Reform voter, OP, or maybe an American bot for the Westboro brigade?

An ancient book may have proposed chucking miscreants into the sea with a millstone around their neck (although I think you may have misinterpreted that one). Fortunately our legal system is based on more rational thought.

We absolutely do not need the death penalty in the UK. No exceptions.

It’s a horrible case but there have been much worse cases of child abuse than this one. Preston Davey being a recent example. Seems odd you’d think this was worse, given it wasnt even murder but culpable homicide.

Also, the death penalty is abhorrent.

YABU

I think every Christian can understand that immediate emotional reaction. Reading about the abuse or murder of a child is heartbreaking, and anger is a natural response. Jesus Himself showed righteous anger in the face of evil.

But as Christians we're called to be careful not to let grief become a desire for vengeance. The child deserves justice, and society must be protected from someone capable of such evil. A whole-life sentence may well be appropriate. Wanting justice is not wrong.

The passage about the millstone (Matthew 18:6) is indeed a severe warning about the gravity of harming "little ones," but Jesus isn't giving us permission to delight in someone's death or suffering. Elsewhere He tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us (Matthew 5:44), and on the Cross He prayed for those who were killing Him.

The Church teaches that no sin is beyond God's mercy if there is genuine repentance, however unimaginable that may seem to us. That doesn't remove the need for punishment or lessen the horror of the crime. Mercy and justice are not opposites.

It's perfectly understandable to say, "I can't forgive this right now." Forgiveness is often a process rather than a feeling. We can ask God to do in our hearts what we cannot yet do ourselves, while praying for the innocent victim, for those left grieving, and even—however difficult—for the sinner's conversion.

I cannot agree with the death penalty. If it's wrong to murder then we should not be murdering no matter how heinous the crime. It doesnt make it ok if its state sanctioned.
I am not a christian Im pagan but christian values are as good as any.
But sometimes the things I hear make me feel that the entire human race should be eliminated in one fell swoop.

You Shalt Not Kill

As usual, first post nails it. Awful case but no government should have the power to execute whichever citizens they please. You might agree with who today’s authorities decide should die but not with future governments’ choices. So no, obviously not. Thanks for making my day a little darker and bleaker, OP.

YABU. You’re not emotional because you’re a Christian its because you’re a human

I’m a Christian too OP but I don’t believe in the death penalty. I just don’t think that humans have the moral right or ‘authority’ to take a life - yes, even if it’s been ordered by a judge and jury.

I don’t know the case you’re referring to but I do know that people who harm children get a particularly difficult time in prison. Losing their liberty and rights, not to mention the constant looking-over-your-shoulder, is a just punishment.

No we cannot bring back the death penalty. Would anyone genuinely trust any of our successive governments to ensure it was implemented properly and fairly? Prime Minister Farage wouldn’t try to intervene to get more racist points? Come on.

The state should never have the power to kill its citizens. End of.

Do you know that Psalm is about the people lamenting about their suffering and about the people who were oppressing them? I don’t understand your quote? Are you implying that The Bible says people who bash infants against rocks will be happy?

@ThisWiseRobin if you’re Christian, then surely you should be willing to forgive this person hoping they gain salvation? And leaving judgement only to God?

This is exactly why I hate religion. If there is a god he is a cruel bastard.

The death penalty does not reduce murder rates, look at the US. So if it doesn’t deter, it would be to exact revenge on the woman for her actions. Which is a reasonable position, but for every 100 people who may deserve vengeance, there will be at least 1 wrongly convicted person, and the state therefore commits murder of an innocent.

Capital punishment is wrong.
Not for any religious reasons, it's just wrong.
Civilised societies must never consider voting to reinstate it.
I don't believe it's presence would reduce crime in any way.

I know exactly what this psalm means. The last two verses are an exhortation to the Jewish people to enact vengeance against the children of the Babylonians - their oppressors.
I was simply pointing out that the Bible is rarely consistent in its teaching.

Death penalties verdicts are political and often unjust. They solve nothing. They’re use disproportionately against minorities and the poorer people in society.
If Britain had the death penalty in the 70s 80s 90s there would be an awful Lot of dead Irish people, most of them innocent.

Another thread started by an unimaginative Yankee bible basher? 🤔

I thought you Christians were all about forgiveness, or have you not got to that chapter in the bible yet?

I strongly suspect this is the same OP who’s recently started a lot of threads on this topic

I don't think they've got the the ten commandments yet

Shouldn’t an OP like this have a trigger warming, as it contains child abuse?

Every case is equally horrific

Hard no on the death penalty. You cannot plan to kill a person, because they killed someone else.

However hard that is. You just can’t.