Bring back the death penalty in this case

[ThisWiseRobin]

AIBU to wish for the death penalty. How a mother can kill her baby with a hairdryer.
I read this to my husband who asked me to stop and was crying.
I'm Christian and am taught that all but one sin is forgivable.
BUT Our Lord also said that to harm one little one , you are better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.
While some interpretations claim it means misleading them, I think it's much more than this.
Today I feel bereft of love for the human race.
Of course this monster will claim Domestic violence, drugs , mental health etc.
I hope, as there is no death penalty, that she spends the rest of her life begging to die.
Sorry right now, all I can say is "Father forgive them. For they know not what they do".....because right now I Can't.

I don’t agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, I don’t believe the state should have the power to murder its citizens. It’s easy to be morally consistent too, as individuals all have their opinions on who deserves it and who doesn’t. If you fundamentally disagree that the state should not have that power then there’s nothing to grapple with.

As a human being we can all feel like we would happily have some horrible individuals killed - wouldn’t you want to do that to anyone who even harmed your own children somehow - but I think law and justice should be above that, protecting everyone from our more primal instincts.

I’m not sure you are as Christian as you would like to believe by the way.

BUT Our Lord also said that to harm one little one , you are better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.

So why does 'your lord' put babies on earth just to suffer in pain from cancer and other horrible diseases only to die a few months later?

And you can't randomly apply the death sentence just because it may suit certain public outcries.

BUT Our Lord also said that to harm one little one , you are better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.

Yet in psalm 137
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

I don't believe in the death sentence under any circumstances - whether mandated in the Bible or not.

I'd reintroduce the death penalty for people who start threads about "this one crime" should bring back the death penalty

There's been a few this week already

It’s hard to think that a mother could do that to her baby is beyond any understanding for most caring parents. This so soon after the trial of Jamie Varley is making me rethink about introducing the death penalty even though I have been so against it.

Oh I’d pull the trigger myself. Genuinely.

I actually don’t know how I’d vote if it were ever on the table that we were in a position to bring back hanging. But I read this case - and others like it - and I’d have no issue with them being dispatched. I cannot fathom how anyone can abuse or kill a child

If something is wrong, it's always wrong, even in emotive situations. I believe the death penalty is wrong and that civilised societies don't sanction murder (or torture or mistreatment), even in the face of horrendous crimes.

They can’t bring back outdated punishment methods because of ONE book written a REALLY long time ago.

Gandalf says many profound things but we can’t weave them into our legal system.

And what if Enid Blyton had her way? FML.

Murder is abhorrent. But fighting fire with fire has never been the way forward.

I’m happy to take the death penalty off the table. However, I don’t believe people should be protected in prison. They can take their chances, pretty much like everyone else in society had to take their chances with them and their crimes. Seems fair. That will then pretty much take care of the situation in most cases, problem solved.

what case? You didn’t link anything

this whole post is so weird

“Sorry right now, all I can say is "Father forgive them. For they know not what they do".....because right now I Can't.”

who cares if you can forgive them or not? What’s the importance in your forgiveness?

The states in the us have the death penalty have higher crime rates.

I do not agree with it in any circumstances. What would you do in the case of a miscarriage of justice? And you can't guarantee there would never be one.

It’s the American fundamentalist Christian funded bots

So making prison staff work in a far more dangerous environment?

I don't think religion has any place in influencing law and punishments. I disagree with state sanctioned killings for any reason.

The millstone around the neck thing that Jesus talked about was for his unforgivable sin, so far as I am aware. And that sin is to de-convert a Christian.

Mat 18:1 At that hour the disciples came near to Jesus, saying, "Who, now, is greater in the kingdom of the heavens?"
Mat 18:2 And Jesus having called near a child, set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, if you may not be turned and become as the children, you may not enter into the kingdom of the heavens;
Mat 18:4 whoever then may humble himself as this child, he is the greater in the kingdom of the heavens.
Mat 18:5 And he who may receive one such child in My Name, receives Me,
Mat 18:6 and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in Me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged on his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea. (LSV)

Jesus was not talking about actual children.

I am atheist. OP is Christian. What Jesus is saying there is that if I were to turn you away from believing in Jesus, then it would be ME who should be drowned.

So yes, Jesus was pro death sentence. But this is the only case where he said it is a requirement.

So if you are a Christian, you still have to forgive.

Yes the crux of it is ‘I read something that made me feel sad and angry, and I think we should put that person to death to satiate the thirst for vengeance it has given me’. Very well considered and very Christian! It’s what calls for the return of the death penalty come down to I guess, a sort of lynch mob mentality but wanting it legalised.

Never mind bringing back the death penalty.

How about bringing back the OP...

I cannot fathom how anyone can abuse or kill a child

Mentally disturbed people, who are possibly also in the grip of addiction, do all sorts of things that mentally well, happy, fit and healthy people will not ordinarily do.

The problem is, there is often a total inability to recognise this fact, so the presumption is that people committing heinous acts are invariably "monsters", or "evil", and that's nothing more than a convenient distraction from the fact that they are human, and human beings sometimes do terrible things under certain circumstances. There is no such thing as evil, just unwell, aberrant, and atypical human beings.

How a mother can kill her baby with a hairdryer

The expert cited at the trial maintains that in his view the child was likely dead before the hairdryer ever came into the picture.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX. Well you can crack on with thinking that some people aren’t evil and just suffering with poor mental health if you want to.

theres some mental gymnastics involved in trying to excuse these murderers. though. That repulsive pair who were shoving their penises in a baby’s throat…. Just a bit misunderstood were they and in need of some therapy?

Give over

It's not "mental gymnastics".

There is no such thing as "evil". It's an abstract concept dreamt up to explain things that are difficult to comprehend when the premise is the individual in question is no different to any normal person. This is the problem with the concept. Acts perceived as "evil" are not carried out by normal people, because normal people don't behave in these ways.

That repulsive pair who were shoving their penises in a baby’s throat…. Just a bit misunderstood were they and in need of some therapy?

This is a ridiculous leap to the absurd and that fact you posit it as a question shows you know how ridiculous it is, but for the sake of keeping it civil -

People who can do these sorts of things are not "misunderstood", they clearly have disordered and disturbed personalities, so no, "some therapy" isn't even going to touch the sides, and it's not a "mental health" issue either.

Perhaps you could go and read about Personality Disorders, Addiction and suchlike, and move away from dark ages nonsense like believing in "evil".

Oh and frankly, you can take your idiotic,offensive assertion that this is "excusing murderers" and ram it up your hoop.

Couldn’t have put it better.

That’s nothing like what the poster said

I think you would need to be damn sure it was a proven fact before offing someone! The expert witness said he didn’t think the hairdryer killed the baby. Whatever the hell happened here would need to be fully established before you could argue the death penalty based on it.

Why so many death penalty threads lately?!