Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Minority view... Yeah right 😒

Thing is Wes, that poll is consistent with other polls around the world and in the UK.

That’s why my reply got hidden, well done for pasting!

Which they've carefully never tested.

Hold a vote on it Wes, put your money where your mouth is. Add it to the poll forms at the next local elections. Except they won't because they know what the answer would be.

The thing is that publicly accessible single sex provisions are separated by sex category of people. In the provision of these services and facilities, it is not considered a reasonable expectation to have 100% protection from harm. Only the expectation to reduce risk of harm to the minimum manageable.

Hence it is not considered reasonable for a female person to expect to be protected from potential attack from another female person. Because it is considered low risk and the risk of injury from a female on female attack is also lower than an attack from a male person. Usually it is greatly lower than from a post pubescent male.

If you would like the now numerous studies that should that in general a male person who has experienced any part of male puberty is considerably stronger than female people in general. And the Olympic committee also ruled that ALL male people with transgender identities are excluded from female sporting events based on physical advantage due to modelling that was done. Meaning even those male people who have had puberty suppressed are considered to have an advantage.

Hence all male people above the age of about 8-10 are excluded from female single sexual provisions.

I got to the 55% bit and thought ‘aye right! It’ll be much higher’. Then read on 😂.

Exactly. It's not as if this hasn't been explained 80 billion times already. 🙄

I also know that I can’t speak on behalf of everyone which is something you don’t seem to realise about yourself.

If you realise you can't speak on behalf of everyone, why are you consenting to men in women's spaces on behalf of other women? And thus leaving many women without any appropriate option?

Tell us why additional mixed sex spaces, giving everyone two options instead of excluding women who can't share with men, aren't an acceptable solution.

Well. I'm definitely short on experience of being a man either in a dress or not. But imagination? Cheap shot! Maybe ask men to try to imagine what it's like to be a woman forced to share single sex spaces with men. No? How about what it's like to be told that men are also women if they say so based on reductive stereotypes and a feeling in a man's head?
I'll start them off WE DON'T LIKE IT.

Really? I can't imagine ever doing any such thing.

Please go back to saying "women" or "women and girls" rather than "females". "Females" has definite red pill manosphere pod caster vibes and I'm sure you don't mean it like that.

Sorry I only mean it from the perspective woman has become, diluted, I don’t mean it like Quark from Deep Space 9.

This.

I know. 😊

I saw one if them on FB. At first I thought it was an old skit with Dawn French in a blonde wig. Unfortunately it was far less entertaining than that would have been
#sadtimes indeed

Perhaps it’s your googling at fault? Pretty easy to find.

Nothing to do with the threats except for benefiting from the climate of fear and intimidation created by the ones making them. Which is exactly why they never called it out. No innocents in this movement except the children.

Have you been living in a pineapple under the sea?

Two men enter - all the women leave

No. There's a difference between speaking FOR women and speaking on behalf of them.

Is it half term already or something?

I didn’t even know until like 5hours ago

And I had no idea about bank holiday monday

The polls are on this very thread. So... try reading it.

I'm going to ask the question I always ask at this point.
What magic happens to turn a man into a woman? When does this happen? Could you enlighten me please?
Because men don't become women.

I most definitely never said that anyone with a different point of view from my own is small minded.

And I did not call anyone small minded for objecting to the loss of their own boundaries. I would not do that because I do not think it is small minded to object to the loss of your own boundaries.

I am still surprised by this post.

mummywillow, do you mean to show such ignorance of the demographics of those male people with transgender identities? It seems that you, personally, have no idea that those male people have sexual orientations where some are heterosexual (as per the EA2010 definition), some are homosexual and some are bisexual. Either that or you are really quite prejudiced about who you consider to be transgender or not.