Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

I think you need to clarify the voting. Clearly, HE is unreasonable but YOU are not unreasonable to make us aware!

Well, I’m one if the small majority. 🙄

That looks as if it's from 2022, he may have become less stupid and dangerous than then. Or maybe not.....

No, Burnham is NOT reasonable to hold rhat view (your polling options are not clear imo)
As a woman I don't want men in my spaces. Whether I have 'experienced male violence at some point in my life' is irrelevant as all women are at risk of it every day. AB is a fool.

I feel that he is implying that the only women who might have an objection are in some way psychologically damaged by a previous negative experience, and therefore their opinion is not rational and they shouldn’t be listened to. Which is incredibly offensive.

Of course he isn’t.

At least he is accepting that some women don’t like it which is a damn sight more than most politicians do.

I’d be intrigued to know how he’d feel about his DD’s sharing a bathroom with men.

I'm another of the small majority. Where do these men get off, making decisions for women?

No he's not reasonable.

1. He is a man and has no right to tell women that he thinks that we should lose single sex spaces.
2. If one woman objects that is enough. Women who don't object have no authority to consent on the part of all women.
3. Factually he is wrong as recent polls have indicated.

I have zero interest in any mans view on this subject, particularly if they're wearing a dress at the time of expressing it.

Why is a man explaining what women apparently think?

He’s recently stated he thinks the Supreme Court ruling that Women means a person who is born a female, is wrong.

So we all know where he stands.

Or coming 2nd to a man in a sport she's trained all her life for or being searched by a man if she's arrested or sharing a hospital ward with them.

I thought research showed that the vast, vast majority of women didn’t think men should be in women’s single sex spaces / jobs etc.

Andy Burnham can fuck right off.

Personally I think he’s a complete arsehole. I’d have Keir over him any day. If he comes to power there is no way I’d ever vote Labour again, and I’ve done do for the past 20 years. I vote for it because it’s always been a centrist party. It seems I have to reassess my thinking.

Ah, ok. Well I hope the women of Makersfield don't vote for him. Quiite aside from the fact that it seems the whole place is pissed off at being used.

I’ve never experienced male violence (thankfully) but I spent my childhood and teenage years being assured that strange men could rape me and worse. I was taught to always walk with my car keys between my fingers, to keep my hand over the top of my drink in bars, to text a friend when I got home from a night out, never to walk through a dark park alone, and to never sit upstairs on an empty bus.

The whiplash of suddenly being told I should embrace the same strange men in an enclosed, intimate female space just doesn’t stack up for me on an instinctual level.

The ONS says 1 in 6 women have experienced sexual assault as adults.

It says 1 in 14 women have experienced rape as adults.

The year ending March 2025 2.2 million women experienced domestic abuse in England and Wales.

A woman is killed by a man every three days

Does Andy Burnham really think that women and girls being frightened by men in women’s spaces is a minority view?

Amen. Who TF do they think they are?

I’m one of the big majority.

Great comments from Helen Joyce:

Helen Joyce, director of advocacy at sex-based rights charity Sex Matters, said Mr Burnham's comments 'reveal a lack of understanding'.

She added: 'Any politician who aspires to be prime minister needs to have a better grasp of what voters want than to think that fringe trans activist views are mainstream.

'All the polling shows most people want single-sex provision, and don't think that men who identify as women should be allowed into women-only spaces.

'This holds across the board, from everyday spaces like toilets and changing rooms to women's sport and specialist services like rape crisis centres. The majority of women who regard single-sex provision as essential for privacy, dignity and safety shouldn't have to explain why trans-identifying men need to keep out.

'It's not because they're seeking to "abuse a women's space or encroach on women's safety" – it's because they're men, simple as that.

'Dismissing this debate as "polarised" and "hateful" is a cheap rhetorical move.

'Women asserting our boundaries aren't hateful. No matter how carefully and kindly we explain our own needs, we're subjected to a torrent of misogynistic threats. This isn't a matter of "both sides".'

Does this at least mean that he thinks trans women are men? Or is the DM calling them male? It would be a start if he at least thought that.

One of the quotes is
Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life.

I hope it is just a minority of women who have experienced male violence but there are certainly many many more who have experienced low level harassment, etc and don't want men in all their spaces.

I would like to hear a recent comment from him on this (these comments were from before the law change) before kind of hoping Reform take the seat.
(I would never ever vote Reform but I wouldn't want Burnham with these views as PM).