Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

My empathy ("sympathy" is patronising) is not limited to one group at a time.

I've made it very clear in other posts I've made that there is huge difficulty in being able to tell the autogynophiles who may well be harmful to women from the people who genuinely believe that they are women, who are unlikely to be a danger (though women may justifiably perceive both as a threat).

There are men who have lost something they had been told was a legal right. And told that by people at the very highest levels in politics and business.

I don't have any problem having empathy for their situation while also holding the view that it is entirely correct to keep them out of women's spaces.

Frankly I find any other point of view pretty small minded.

Oh yes that was infuriating. And so fucking rude too. Talking over her like that because... weeell its just a woman innit? Ugh.
And again with the "I know what most women actually care about"
Clearly not mate!

I think a number of people are hoping (possibly in vain) that he's actually changed his mind about it by now. He needs pinning down on it.

Calling women “small minded” for objecting to the loss of their own boundaries is exactly the kind of patronising tone you’re accusing others of. You’re extending empathy to men who were incorrectly told they had a right to women’s spaces, while dismissing the women who actually lose something real. That imbalance is the issue

have they tried reframing their trauma? I hear that helps. Why the actual fuck are women always expected to “be the bigger person”? These men did not stick up for women. They were complicit. How many transpeople told the TRA to stop it? How many stood up for women? Karmas a bitch ain’t it.

Oh yes. The ones filming themselves swinging swords around or wanking in their stockings with the cubicle door open or offering teenage girls a tampon look REALLY scared to me.
Don't be so fucking stupid.

Transpiders are spiders 🕷

Course you did, love. I believe you, thousands wouldn't.

The problem with statements like this is people tend to surround themselves with similar people and you can easily fall into your own little echo chamber.

I don’t know a single person who has an issue with trans women using female toilets so from my perspective I would say he is correct but I am not aware that there have been any unbiased studies to confirm the statement either way.

Have the TRAs just recently learned the term "echo chamber"? They must have used it 5000 times so far. It's in every bloody post they do. It's so ironic that they never heard it during all the years women were being sacked, silenced, hounded and abused for noting that they're not men and every institution was captured.

Thesaurus, guys? A change is as good as a rest.

There's been polling on the issue which is very clear that women don't want men in their spaces.

Perhaps you and your friends are very naive or particularly focused on pleasing men at the expense of women's rights and safety. Have a think about why that might be?

I did not call anyone small minded for objecting to the loss of their own boundaries.

They only thought they were justified in accessing women's spaces because they never gave the slightest thought to or listened to women's concerns. My sympathy is seriously limited.

Someone who genuinely believes that they are a woman thinks their concerns are women's concerns. These very effeminate men are as frightened of male violence as we are.

They know they aren't women. Enough of this utter bullshit 🙄

A trans woman isn’t a man.

I can guarantee a trans woman would not be at all interested in seeing what bits you have or assaulting you. Why are you so concerned with what they have?

If you can give me done meaningful statistics where a trans woman has abused a woman in a single sex space please come at me.

Most if not all women don’t want men in their private spaces including toilets. How silly of him to say they’re a small minority!!

Imdunfer, I think I understand where you are coming from, and I do agree that many trans-identified males took what Stonewall told them at face value, and many, many employers and service providers allowed them privileges that they were not entitled to. But they really shouldn't have taken everything on faith. The laws were there to be read, even before the SC decision. I suspect they didn't look any further because they didn't want to.

Many of these men could have been campaigning for equal spaces and greater acceptance outwith female single-sex spaces, but instead they were content to ride the coattails of activists who were viciously attacking and dismantling women's spaces, security, words, and womanhood. I have not heard of one trans-identified man who publicly stood up for women during the past 15 years.

What is that saying? The only thing evil needs is for good men to do nothing. (paraphrasing).

You, of course, have the right to bestow your empathy wherever you want. You will have to excuse me if I don't. I'm tired of the BS, and I hate what this ideology has done to my family.

So, to all those men who stood by and did nothing to stop what happened to the word "woman " (among all the other travesties), all I have to say is: You reap what you sow.

No.

That may be the case for a few, but the massive majority of the men women most need out of their spaces are not in the slightest bit effeminate and they are not marching into women's spaces, gleeful, with swords, hopeful about giving little girls tampons, or wanking in women's cubicles with the door open while shouting threats of sexual violence at women for daring to protest because they're 'scared'.

Let's be honest about this.

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Oh ffs.

What about the one who followed me into the ladies and stood wanking at the sink?

I am honest about it. I have posted many times about the problems of the autogynophiles.

How can you guarantee that?

You're going to personally guarantee that no TW is ever going to caused issues for a genuine women, ever. And you will stand here and take responsibility if it happens?

How utterly ridiculous 🙄

SSSIS has loads of data, I'm sure he'll be along shortly. Be careful what you wish for!

A trans woman is, emphatically is, a genetic male.

The best example I can give you is the rape of a woman on a female only ward where a trans woman had been placed. The hospital denied for about a year that a male had been on that ward.