To not understand why fly tipping is happening on such a large scale?

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

If you have a car, surely you can just go to the dump? I mean, it's free 🤷‍♀️

Why is flytipping on an industrial scale happening, what has changed to cause this to happen? Have industrial sites been shut down?

Genuinely don't get it, just seen it on the news

I live in a popular fly tipping spot - the council often put up cameras to catch them. One time our road was blocked because the little layby had 2 parked cars in so the pickup had nowhere but the road to tip off the load of garden material including loads of turf. Took us half an hour to shift a pathway through wide enough for a car (the council then arrived and cleared it completely.

Most times it is at least a transit van's worth. They collect waste from the public and are paid below the going rate, the public think it is a legitimate carrier and they just got a bargain price - then the driver just dumps it rather than pay for the weight of his load at the tip. The public should insist on seeing the waste carrier's licence, and to get a receipt for the waste. Otherwise THEY could be liable for the tipped waste if it is traceable (sometimes it is if it is household rubbish and has addresses on)

Council here used to brag about how we had hardly any fly tipping.

then they change the tip hours - removed late night Wednesday (closes at 4.30 every day), shortened hours on Saturday to 10am-3pm and changed to only opening one Sunday a month. You must book in advance, have to list what you’re bringing and you have to go through a check in process to check you’ve brought only what you said (so no last minute tipping something from your neighbour after mentioning you are going). Vans of any kind have to pay £40 and book a month in advance.

You used to be able to get two bulky uplifts a year for free. Maximum of 10 items. After you’re two you’d have to pay £20 for future uplifts, again 10 items. It’s now £50 for 5 items.

We now have a huge campaign about all the fly tipping that’s happening…

However, as the fly tipping budget isn’t the same budget as the tips/uplifts budget they’re all very self-congratulatory about the savings that have been made. There’s zero joined up thinking whatsoever.

My locaL tip isn’t free. It’s actually shockingly expensive to bring trash in yourself. I’m not in the uk for transparency.

There is a push to discourage waste which is good. That push however needs to be balanced with the fact that waste is going to be generated and people need to get rid of things in an appropriate way.

i had a broken tv recently. I didn’t mind paying for proper recycling. The difficulty of acquiring that service was shocking. The price was also about 1/3 of what we spent on replacing the television.

I understood why people with fewer resources in time or money give up.

I booked a slot recently and the queue was so far out of the run-up to the tip that it was causing congestion on the road. It took me over an hour (once I had actually got to the tip site!) to get to actually put my things in the skip. It's ridiculous and I will not be doing it again, I will pay someone else to do it. However that's me. I don't have a lot of disposable income either! But I would rather use what Ihave rather than be bothered doing that again. And I am single, and have a car, and don't have children to consider, and am able-bodied. For many people those options are not open to them.

Personally I'd happily see flytippers and anyone who litters summarily executed and their families billed for the bullet.

Your tip is, not to put a finer point on it, rubbish.

And you can't say fairer than that!

Also you can no longer put houshold waste in public bins - they all have stickers saying council fine for it now.

Surely the likelihood of being “caught” would be very low.

Another thing I forgot to mention is they also make it really difficult for families with babies in nappies.

@Ghht can you not just put them in the normal bin? Perhaps you’re not meant to but it sounds like a case of needs must!

Obviously fly tipping is horrible behaviour, and those responsible are breaking the law and should be prosecuted.

However, councils have made it harder and more expensive to get rid of stuff. It was entirely predictable that this would lead to an increase in fly tipping. If you (essentially) make it harder for people to follow the law, then a minority of people will start breaking the law.

We also have had an increase in population and AFAIK no particular increase in tip capacity - I'm not sure how much impact that has but possibly some in terms of how much councils are able to deal with waste.

And councils are all desperately short of money, which doesn't help either. Council tax keeps going up and the bits of the service everyone sees and uses (potholes and bin collections are two things which you can't really avoid being aware of) just get worse, people get resentful, and that itself means people being less motivated to obey the law.

I don't know what the solution is tbh. There's a number of areas in life right now where it feels like the social contract is really under strain and I think rubbish is one of them.

Piles that used to be 50 pounds to take are niw 150 pounds. Rules are so much more strict on what you can put in a skip. I'm drowning in my dad's stuff since he died, and even a fleet of skips wouldnt help no. I cant drive it to the tip myself, and my local council one is closed but the one 5 minutes away in a different borough I'm not allowed to use. My only option is junk clearance companies, many of who dont reply after you ask for their waste carrier licence

I think it’s just because some people are selfish dirty twats. The city I live in have 3 tips, all are open 8am-8pm during summer months, 8-5 during off-peak seasons. No need to book just show up, no fees. The council also do 1x free bulky item collection every 2 months which can consist of up to 5 large items or 15 bags of garden/general waste. If you need more than that then it is only £5 per additional collection. We are also still on weekly collection of wheelie bins and recycling bins.

Despite all of this there is still loads of flytipping. There’s no excuse.

Our council charge for any DIY waste so that goes in the green bin and we end up taking household waste to the tip in bin liners. You also have to register your address with the local council to be able to use the tip. Once they ok you, you then you are have to register your car reg. a maximum of two per address. We have five adults in our home and four cars (my son was turned away from the tip despite having proof of address because his reg wasn't listed). We require all four because there is little public transport, certainly none that would get the three with cars to work and I have a life limiting condition so need my car too.
It's very expensive to hire someone to take anything away and it's your responsibility to make sure they have all of the correct licenses and actually take it to the tip. Short of following them, I'm not sure how you're supposed to do this l. I think a lot of these disposal companies flytip because it makes each job a lot more profitable.
If it was easier and free to dispose of waste there would be a lot less flytipping.

We've got 2 university's in my city. The amount of rubbish left out on the pavements when the students leave is horrendous every single year. I don't know why the local council doesn't have a couple of skips in the main student areas- they have to collect it anyway

Because it's genuinely difficult to get rid of stuff. Most councils do fortnightly collections. Lots of tips have to be booked, you need a car and there are charges for all sorts of things. The alternative is to pay to have things taken away. I moved house recently, £200 to get rid of two sofas, £200 to get rid of mattresses, £290 to get rid of white goods. These were reputable companies. £250 to have a piano taken away ( niche I know). The council did offer bulk waste collection which would have been slightly cheaper but the items have to be in the road and I couldn't wrestle the old washing machine more than 5 cms so that was out. I'm never buying anything ever again because now, every time I walk into a room I calculate how many trips to the tip it would take to clear it. It's always many 🙂

It’s a vey mixed bag isn’t it, so I guess the answer is for us to lobby our local authority if we are unhappy with the service they provide.

I am luckier than most people here in that I don’t have to book for the tip and there are no restrictions on the number of visits I can make (as far as I know). I did have to prove that I am resident, but they give out stickers at the beginning of the year so that’s only needed once.

They will take mattresses and sofas free and some DIY/renovations stuff. For example we recently replaced our bath with a walk-in shower and the tip was happy to take the old bath free because it was metal, but we’d have had to pay otherwise. We could take 2 bags of building rubble and 1 sheet of plasterboard, but would have to pay for more. They also accept fridges, televisions etc free. We could also get rid of doors, kitchen cabinets, fitted wardrobes etc free if taken in a car, but not in a van.

Our normal bin collection is fortnightly and that is never a problem. We only ever have one half empty bin bag in our wheelie bin. But if we ever had more than that we could take it to the tip free and put it in the “non-recyclable” skip.

We can also take garden waste free. We pay for a fortnightly collection of that but at certain times of year one wheelie bin is not enough so we can take any excess to the tip. My elderly neighbour has three mature oak trees in her garden and I usually make four or five trips to the tip every autumn with the boot of the car filled with bags of acorns and leaves!

There is no excuse for fly-tipping in our area and I’m glad to say that it is not much of a problem. But there are always a few people who simply can’t be bothered to dispose of things properly and don’t care.

Someone keeps dumping stuff at the end of our street, the council TBF are excellent and remove it within 24 hours once reported.

For the council to collect stuff it's £25 an item and it's at least a four week wait time so people are going for the free and quick option. I really think the council need to address the situation. If they can remove the fly tipping so quickly why can't they come out sooner when households are paying.

It's so selfish and I would happily see fly tippers jailed for life.

Dusting off my PhD in the Bleeding Obvious

1. Its become significantly harder in many areas to get to the 'Council Tip'
2. Waste Legislation is poorly enforced so
3. Offenders have realised that waste crime is easy money with little chance of being caught

You have to prove you live in the right council area to use mine so you can't if you are close by but just over the "border".

This.

I live in an area where the nearest tip is about 1.5 miles away, however the nearest tip I am allowed to use is a 34 mile round trip, and requires a booked slot. Thanks Hampshire & West Berkshire councils for being incapable of arranging a shared facility.

It's ridiculous and I'm sure some of my less scrupulous neighbours fly tip regularly. I'm on the parish council and have to arrange for it to be cleared frequently. The last batch was a stack of old windows left on a rural verge.

Everything I need to get rid off, is cut into pieces somehow, and forced into my black bin, even if it queues for a month until there is space.

Wish we had that amount of service

As a PP stated the tip/ bulky collection services are pared back to the bone, become hor expensive then they wonder why the " fly tipping" increases.

And tbh sometimes it's very difficult. I can drive so not really got issues but if for example you get 2 new dofas. The old ones gave had it so only fit for tip but you don't drive to take them there

The only other option tgen is to book a bulk refuse collection, think it's about £30. But then you get a date up to a month in the future for them to collect. What are you going to do with the old stuff in the meantime? Especially if you don't have a garden

Our local council have made it all so much more difficult to get rid of waste, and fly tipping is now very common. Who’d have thought!

Sounds about right. Those 2 councils have never been decently joined up. My grandmother used to live just outside ecchinswell which is Hampshire but nearest big town. ( Not very far) was Newbury in Berkshire. Even years ago it affected schools and other council services

There is a recycling centre on my road, I have watched people living on one of the side road, wlak down a mattress and bed parts and dump it on the corner. They coukd easily walk it 300yards more to the tip where you can recycle those items. It’s laziness clearly in this instance as there is just no excuse...there is never a good one quite frankly.

I think people who do it genuinely do not care about our environment and making it a nice place to live in for everyone, its out of sight out of mind for them because they wouldn't take it home and dump it outside their own house would they.

There’s no excuse nowadays -we have a night vision camera for spotting foxes, deer etc in the garden, no reason cameras can’t be put at road junctions or near dumping blackspots to catch number plates - farmers could have a camera like a doorbell camera that lets them know when a vehicle is where it shouldn’t be - I don’t understand this helplessness