To not understand why fly tipping is happening on such a large scale?

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

If you have a car, surely you can just go to the dump? I mean, it's free 🤷‍♀️

Why is flytipping on an industrial scale happening, what has changed to cause this to happen? Have industrial sites been shut down?

Genuinely don't get it, just seen it on the news

They do this in my village. It might even be three times a year actually. I've used it twice

Always take the guys a tray of tea and coffee while they're there waiting for people. One year I had loads so I gave them £20 because they brought the van round the corner to my house and helped. Had to do it away from the van due to cameras!

Because they aren’t tips any more they are private recycling centres! All about the money

i recycle everything I can but when I have big items I take them to the ‘recycling centre’ and put a few black bags in my car as well. My general bins are emptied every 3 weeks

i'm starting to get really quizzed at the gates on my black bags rather than the actual things I’m bringing

Some friends of mine recently got fined for fly tipping. They had organised a beach clean up and the bags of rubbish were being piled on the slipway. There is nowhere to park nearby so one of my friends walked back to where they had parked their van to put the bags in. The rest of the group were still finishing up working on the beach. The council refuse to remove the waste that’s washed up even if we collect it, so my friends take it to the tip/ recycling centre.
In the time it took for my friends to walk and get the van some utter jobsworth from the council had showed up and decided to give him a fine for tipping! Utter bastards! 6 hours they had spent on the seafront in the poring rain picking up rubbish off the beach!

That is a jobsworth!! Can your friends appeal?

This - people are lazy cunts

Councils have made it harder to dump rubbish legally. I’d never fly tip and think it’s abhorrent but our local authority is consulting on a system where you only get so many free slots per year and can only take a couple of small items or you will be charged for more. Other areas have similar schemes already in place. Only cars allowed too without a permit. In this case I do think correlation does equal causation.

This is outrageous! Did the jobs worth realise that it was part of beach clean up?

Fortunately they have picked on the wrong person as my friend happens to be a solicitor so is more than confident that he will resolve it swiftly.

And all power to him!

I hope the ridiculous council jobs worth gets a lot of negative publicity.

Honestly what are they thinking? Do they get a bonus for each fine they give? Why else would they dish one out?

Yep! We think it was possibly a deliberate move by the council as it seems a bit of a coincidence that there just happened to be an enforcement officer on the seafront at the time they were there. The council had been informed prior to the cleanup being carried out where and when it would be taking place.
There is some beef between the group and the council historically as the council feel the group did not present the council well in a media story last year. All that was said by the group (in answer to a direct question) was that the council did not collect the waste and we (the group) had to transport it to the dump. All of which was factually correct.

This is the only correct answer

Because the punishments aren't severe enough. Make it a 100K fine and it will stop

We don’t flytip, obviously. But it’s a fucking nightmare getting to the tip, the opening hours are shit.

We are lucky that you can book to go multiple times in a day. But we could definitely do with longer opening hours.

Bin collections every 3 weeks now is also ridiculous.

On the flipside, I've been thinking for a while now that something needs to be done about mass production and overconsumption although nothing will ever happen because it's all about making money. The world is broken.

The council then are scandalous. How petty.

This!
The Netherlands for example has a service in a lot of places where you can book for the council to come and collect your waste (normally there are one/two days a week set for this) then you put everything outside in the morning (sofas, old kitchens,bikes) and it's gone. Obviously it's great to have a free service but I wonder if it costs more overall than the costs of dealing with illegal fly tipping because people have outsourced waste removal to companies that are operating illegally or of enforcing all those companies. And they fine very heavily for leaving out rubbish where/when your not supposed to. Even if that cost more than dealing with fly tipping I suspect just spending more on making tips more accessible would have avoided fly tipping getting out of hand and then having to deal with it.

One of those situations where you spend a pound to save a penny. If they spent more now (on public tips or rubbish collection) it would also take a lot of effort to break existing habits (criminal gangs now have operations down pat) and it would cost money for a while before your saw savings.

It just shows how it differs from county to county.
We can visit without making an a appointment although sometimes you get stuck in a queue. I can still make repeated visits in the same day.
If we have larger rubbish we can use/hire a van but uou have to get an online permit for that.

I hate fly tipping, but our council incentivises it by:

• making the tip a ball ache to use (book in advance, a list as long as your arm of what you can't leave, staff trying it on to charge for commercial disposal when it's clearly residential, restrictions on how many trips you can do in a day, might be turned away if it's full, etc, and on it goes).
• charging residents £50 a pop for bulky waste collection (was £30 last year) - many people can't afford that.
• charging for garden waste disposal separately now at eye-watering rates, instead of including that in the usual bin round they do anyway, like they used to - many people can't afford that.
• making the rules for which day they collect, what you have to put in which bin, etc, so complicated it's stressful.
• sending inspectors out to rifle through people's bins and recycling to see if they can levy a fine on the poor sods who got the byzantine regulations on what goes in which bin slightly wrong.

It's exhausting - complicated, stressful, risky and extortionate. So people fly tip instead, and the council scratch their head and wonder why..... 🙄🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I can only speak for around where I live where it seems to have increased hugely.

I won't say I agree with it, because I don't, and I'd never dare to do it myself even if I wanted to however, I get it.

-Not everyone has transport.
-Vans are not permitted at the tip and not everyone has a large car
-Some things won't FIT into even a large car
-The clowncil sorry council here charge something like £25 per item they collect. A bed with a mattress (for example) counts as two items. Can't fit in your car, if you even have one, and not everyone has £50 spare and even if they do, they'd rather spend it on their children or a day out or just about anything other than the council coming to get something they want rid of and I can't say I blame them.
-If you leave something for collection, they (the council) give something like a 2 week period in which they will collect it. That's as narrow as their collection date gets. And they won't collect said item if It's wet.
We're in England. It's wet. It rains. Who wants to drag a (for example) sofa in and out each time it rains/stops, who even has the time to do that assuming they don't work or WFH and are able-bodied enough to do it?
-Add to this that our local tip has closed, meaning everyone flocks to the next-nearest one which is now rammed even at 'quiet' times and obviously further away taking up more of people's time. Time that most of us simply do not have. Who wants to drag their kids for a hour and a half round-trip to the tip, depending on waiting time, in rush hour traffic after work, and sometimes with the size of the queue not even actually getting to dump whatever item it is?

They're practically encouraging people to fly-tip at this point. As said above, I wouldn't do it myself, never have, but I cannot say I am judging people for doing it because I understand why they do.

Some very clear themes emerging on this thread. No surprise - it isn't rocket science - though weirdly, none of it appears to have occurred to councils....

Somebody needs to send this thread to the head of each council.

Agree!

A big part of this is oil though. Alot of plastic especially single use plastic is produced from a by-product ofthe oil industry. Its literally a negative cost since if it wasnt being used to make plastic oil companies would have to pay to dispose of it. This is why plastic recycling (not all other recycling) is a scam. Its never going to compete cost wise with virgin plastic and the industry is never goíng to stop wanting to produce plastic.
So so long as we rely on oil for fuel, companies will continue to generate plastic in huge amounts and best case scenario that plastic ends up being burned or buried. Worst case scenario it ends up in the sea or gettíng trapped in my hedge. Because it costs money to burn it or bury it, councils will charge money to collect it from businesses and you get the growth of mysterious "recycling companies" who end up flytipping or just abandoning the plastic on patches of land they own (which isn't technically flytipping but still a blight and actually takes longer for councils to deal with because of landownership). It also means taxpayers (through councils etc) end up paying for disposing of a waste product that oil companies have avoided having to pay for.

Thats not a reason to live in a yurt and retreat to preindustrial times. But it does annoy me when some of the biggest opponents to "net zero" also waffle on about the UK countryside or the state of littering/flytipping. Because those two things are directly linked. It's just not an immediately obvious causal connection.

Most people in my local area, large council estate, don’t drive or have money to dispose of large items.

I blame local councils for progressively reducing the size of bins for general waste and moving to 2 weekly collections. Many have done so without consultation. Some people dont have a car so they hire some local "person with van" to clear a koad of d-i-y rubble or domestic waste. You just have to make sure there is nothing in there with your name and address on it. Or add the name and address of a neighbour you dont get on with and let them deal with the fall out.

I find booking a tip slot makes me more likely to use the tip, not less, as you know there is not going to be a ridiculous queue as the number of cars allowed in the slot is controlled.

It's mostly chiselling chavs with a van doing the fly tipping.

There was an episode of rich house poor house where a couple couldn’t afford to get rid of the old broken sofa. So it sat in the front for ages. The rich house paid to get rid on the show.