To not understand why fly tipping is happening on such a large scale?

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If you have a car, surely you can just go to the dump? I mean, it's free 🤷‍♀️

Why is flytipping on an industrial scale happening, what has changed to cause this to happen? Have industrial sites been shut down?

Genuinely don't get it, just seen it on the news

Just break it up and put it in your black bin

Our council actually admitted the new way overall costs money…

However, the fly tipping budget is a different budget to the bins budget so apparently that means it has to work like this 🙄

I firmly believe the next council elections are going to be fought entirely on this issue here.

I was just about to mention this. I live in Germany and this is a godsend.

Just hearing about flytipping. It’s awful and depressing

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Unfortunately this seems to be way councils operate. Nobody taking an overall view of strategy that cuts across departmental silos and budgets. Idiots.

Agree, i reckon that this will win reform/tories the election if Labour don't sort this tbh 😬

So, the view of a lot of people on this thread then is that the reason people fly tip is because the council - who have no responsibility or budget to pay to collect and dispose of everyone’s waste such as sofas - should be responsible for everyone, including businesses? Why do people not consider the cost of disposal when they are buying a new bed or whatever? I always do; it’s part of the cost of getting something new. Would you rather we all paid significantly more in council tax to cover free skips at the end of roads or a special van (staff, insurance, fuel etc) that collects stuff for you? The cost of disposal is sky high - that’s business, but if you can afford a brand new sofa then surely you can afford the £25/30 to get rid of it either from the sofa company or the council? It’s not the Council's fault that people create too much waste.

I haven't looked into it, but I'm pretty sure a sofa from free cycle or a charity shop costs the same to dispose of via councils as does a sofa from Roche Bobois.

Some people are extremely skint, and circumstances can change overnight.
My last sofa went in a skip and I've never fly tipped, but I do understand why people feel the need to.

They have this in some parts of the UK already. Really good idea 🙂

Because in some areas the council have reduced waste collections. It’s every 3 weeks in our area which we can find challenging as a family of three.
It’s also now more difficult to visit the tip.

This all contributes I guess.

Definitely not condoning it but our rubbish collections are now only every fortnight instead of weekly and our ‘local’ tip is a 40 minute drive away, and that’s if you even have a car. I think fly tipping is disgusting and would never do it, but by letting people become overloaded with household waste every week it’s not hard to see why it’s on the rise. Personally I think if they’re now only coming every two weeks then a bin double the size should be provided.

It’s also worth noting that there are a lot of dodgy private waste collection businesses about also. People paying over the odds believing the 15 bags of whatever they’ve just had collected will be disposed of properly but it’s actually being dumped on the side of the road somewhere.

princess we do have to pay for council bulky waste removal, it's about £40 with a 1 month wait. I have no problem with it. Although lots of scummy people sadly try to avoid it.

I did consider it, that is why I bought a JL brand mattress so they took away the old one for £40 when they delivered the new one. If you don't check it out you could be left with an old mattress for weeks while waiting for the council bulky waste, also £40 in our county or having to pay over £100 from a recycling company

It’s rife on my road and I hate it. It’s always been a rough street but has got so much worse in the last 5 years.

It’s residents and landlords on my road and I think they do it for the following reasons. A lot of the renters are economic migrants. They have no interest or loyalty to the area and don’t care what it looks like. They are happy to dump their rubbish as they don’t care about the community. The landlords are similar. They are mostly exploiting new arrivals and just care about making money. The area doesn’t have to look good to get tenants. They don’t care enough to pay for rubbish removal. The result is that me and the other home owners on the street have to live in a litter filled street. It’s awful and so depressing.

it is interesting- I was reading about Warwickshire CC where the 19 year old guy running it wants to be ‘low tax, low spend’; well, this is the kind of thing that results from that. I’m not necessarily sure i even think the council should provide free or very cheap bulky waste collection, arguably, as you said, people should pay for it out their own pocket - which fits with ‘low tax, low spend’ - but ultimately, people juts don’t do it cos it’s costs money and we get loads of fly tipping/opportunities for organised crime. So you may as well pay for it via taxation. I’m not sure it’s a win if your council tax is cheaper but you end up with an illegal dumping ground in your community.

By economic migrants do you mean you live in London/Manchester/Bristol and young people are moving into your area for jobs?

But people are paying for removal. The problem is that they are paying the wrong people - the chancers who fly tip. It would be better if the council licensed people to remove bulk rubbish for a fee, so you could check their paperwork before you let them take your sofa or whatever, and know it was being legally disposed of.

Not all councils do convenient removal of bulky items. My council gave me a form to fill in to remove my big four seater sofa, there was no option to tick for 'four seater' it only went up to three seaters, and then it turned out that they didn't take a four seater. I was tempted to take a chain saw to it and turn it into a three seater and a chair. But I kept it in the end.

No I mean people who have moved to the UK for work and better pay. They make money and send it home. They are also often renting from dodgy landlords who don’t maintain the houses well. No one cares about the house or the area. Landlords dump old furniture on the street. The tenants also follow that example and dump rubbish.

What do you want people to do who can’t afford these new, very high, charges for collection of waste?

We’ve had the best part of 20 years of wage stagnation, infeasible housing costs, and a cost of living crisis. Many people’s budgets are beyond squeezed. They literally can’t find an extra £50 to take an old broken bed away. They’ll only be buying another one if they absolutely have to, and even then may have to go into (further) debt to get it.

There’s no point focussing just on councils budgets and expecting residents to find a magic money tree. There isn’t one.

All commercial waste disposal has to be paid for. So that kitchen fitter has to get rid of your old units somehow, and he'll make more profit if he dumps the stuff in a country lay-by in the middle of the night than if he pays for trade waste disposal.

I wonder if you live in the same area as me...
Unfortunately one particular group seem to cause most of the rubbish (and most of the noise issues and fights in the street...)

As for other people new to the area/UK, they don't actually know how things are done locally. The council send round a big van every week to pick up all the fly tipped stuff - it makes it look like a service they provide (actually if you ask nicely when they pass by they will often take bits and pieces for free). They just follow what they see others doing. If the council provided this as an official service it would help (they are doing it anyway!), people could leave things out on the one day a week it was ok. They could probably cut it down to once a fortnight. Although then they'd have to provide it for the whole city...

It's a very poor area, and if you've been given a secondhand sofa, or got a cheap one from the charity furniture place for £50, having to pay £50 to have the old one taken away can be too much. Also low car ownership, so even bags of stuff you could carry to the tip can't go as they won't accept people on foot (I've tried). Plus even if you can pay the council, people put stuff outside whilst waiting for it to be collected, because the population density means there is no spare space in the flats/houses. So it looks fly tipped.

This (I absolutely despise fly tipping or littering in general).

However the councils are also making it bloody impossible to dispose of waste so what do they think is going to happen?!

The council shut our local tip. The nearest now is over the border and as we live in a different county we are not able to use it. The 1 we can use is 15 miles away, it doesn't take a genius to work out the consequences.

Yes it sounds like we have similar issues. People definitely don’t understand or know what to do. I report the fly tipping and the council collects. People probably think they are supposed to dump it on the street. It’s frustrating. I think landlords should take responsibility for educating their tenants as they make money from them but I don’t think they really care.

It makes me so sad. The area is very poor but we still deserve to have clean streets. I feel like I live in an undeveloped country.

Our local tip had a deal with the neighbouring tip/s that allowed residents to use both - this was stopped due to 'costs', and now people in the north of my town, which covers all but 40 square miles, have to use our 1 'local' tip. which can mean a 15-mile round trip for me, and if traffic is mental, you can kiss goodbye to the best part of two hours. as opposed to 3 miles and 20 min round trip before!

You also now have to book in a timed slot, booked online, so you can't just turn up. The hours at the tip are also reduced. (cost saving) Most appointments are 8-4, which is no use to most people who work. And heaven forbid you have a plasterboard to get tipped. ; the staff are, on the whole, not helpful unless you're a 20 -30-something slim woman, or they think it may be valuable. In which case, they'll swarm you.

Still, this is not an excuse for fly-tipping. I reckon most is done by trades or the very dodgy, 'we'll get rid of your rubbish for £20' types. who are used by the very people who can't get to the local tip for all the above reasons.

This reminds me, I was helping a friend tip some stuff a few years ago (pre Covid) who didn't drive, and his tip was charged for slabs. I'd left my wallet on his kitchen table, and this was before I fell in love with Apple Pay. A very kind chap, whom I'd never seen, paid the few-pound charge; mental.

Because the tips are terrible. I used to live somewhere with a proper, purpose built recycling centre. It was wonderful and took EVERYTHING. Including paint.

Now I live near one where I have to get an appointment, and they try to charge you extra for everything that isn't cardboard.