To not understand why fly tipping is happening on such a large scale?

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If you have a car, surely you can just go to the dump? I mean, it's free 🤷‍♀️

Why is flytipping on an industrial scale happening, what has changed to cause this to happen? Have industrial sites been shut down?

Genuinely don't get it, just seen it on the news

Mattresses are the devil, if the shop you are buying from don't recycle them or the council don't collect for ages, recyclers like Clearabea cost over £100 so that's probably why people use a man with a van.

Councils have a legal duty to dispose of domestic waste

I am starting to wonder if there might be some cases where legal action may be appropriate eg tip opening times or the requirement to book

Well, I cannot speak too highly of Tameside's recycling centre at Stalybridge. Open every day except Christmas Day and New Year's Day, very helpful, no appointment necessary...

Some people are just toe-rags and dump stuff everywhere. See also litter - it's shocking how bad it is.

But councils are also to blame with ridiculous policies. Tips are closed, have reduced opening hours, don't accept certain things, won't let people in on foot or by bike, there are long queues to get in, and if you live in a border area you find yourself having to drive miles to a tip because the two councils are too stupid to work together.

With all that going on, it's not surprising that people get lazy.

Also, I don't think it's fly-tipping if you eg go to a book bank and it's full so you leave your bag of books on top of it or beside it. It would be fly tipping if you left an old arm chair next to it. But for me it's not fly-tipping if the bin isn't emptied when it should be.

We need a national strategy for waste - I think there is one of sorts but it doesn't address issues like border areas.

Where I live we have to book a slot, I don't mind that because it means you don't have to queue. But the opening hours are short - 8-4. That's probably ok in the winter months but it should be 7-7 in the summer.

Also - where I live the county council runs the tips but the district council has to deal with fly-tipping, This is one reason why I support the local government reorganisation because it will mean that councils have to have joined-up policies and can't just dump on a different council. The county council reduces the opening hours of the tips and makes them more difficult to access, but it's the poor district council that has to go and pick up rubbish from country lanes etc.

Yes one of my DC s has that as a local tip and it sounds a dream compared to here

Lots of local recycling centres are quite limited in what you can use them for some are reducing the number of times you can use them in a fixed period for example. Also sometimes you turn up and then you can't dump what you have because the skip is full. None of that is an excuse for fly tipping but some people do it. In our local authority area the rubbish collections keep getting reduced and reduced or extra charges added. They also used to run a scheme where they would up lift larger waste so old white goods or beds etc for £10 now they don't do that and its much more expensive so people just dump their crap in the street. I know my neighbours did that when they last renovated as I saw their old furniture and carpet sitting in a back alley a few days after it had been sitting outside their house.

I used to do a local litter pick where on bin day I'd go round pick up as much trash as I could on my street and the surrounding area fill a bag and leave it with the other rubbish but then the council said they would no longer collect that waste because it wasn't in a wheelie bin, so I don't bother any more.

There is more rubbish though - everything from the supermarket is encased in plastic, I think this a sort of security so you know it’s not been tampered with but I hate it, every bit of plastic is going to lie around for decades. (Ok a wee bit will be recycled but even recycled it’s still on the planet). our Chinese takeaway uses plastic boxes, people get a new kitchen every few years. So much plastic.ie polyester, in clothing now.

Thats half the problem.

Because it's amazingly difficult to get rid of waste, so people pay cowboys who fly tip to get rid of stuff.

You can take some stuff to the tip, but it means you need to have a big enough car and the physical strength to be able to manage it. Many people won't be able to manage getting rid of e.g. a sofa. You can pay the council probably, but that might be unaffordable or people have challenges in terms of how to do that (e.g. having to leave it a certain place). And if you have a lot if can get really expensive. Also many tips charge for various things now.

I agree that the throw away culture doesn't help either. It's very easy to buy things quite cheaply, but not as easy to get rid.

A big part of this IMO is the prevalence of cheap/throwaway/disposable stuff and everyone buying on credit. People buy furniture from places like Ikea then chuck it out after a year or two. When I got married in 1973 all my furniture apart from the bed was second-hand and paid for, lasted me over 20 years before it was replaced. People used to buy a few good items of clothing and look after them, not have cupboards stuffed with cheap tat, worn once or twice then discarded. This is the price of a throwaway society.

yes you could be right

I still have the same furniture from the 90s and sofa from 00s

This.

It’s manufacturers that are driving it. Even take ikea (which i love) their kallax is a replacement for expedit (?) which was solid compared to kallax.

I still have shelving from 25 years from Ikea that looks perfect and again solid.

I hated it when the chippys started using polystyrene trays instead of just paper. It’s tastes nicer out of paper and better for the environment!

Because of the need to prebook and the ability to only take one load.

The turn up and drop off system worked so well. Typical of councils to fcuk it up.

When I was a child - sometime back in the Middle Ages - food wrapping from the shops was newspaper, or a sheet of greaseproof paper and newspaper on the outside. Liquids etc. in glass though some, eg. milk bottles, pop bottles - reuseable. Many biscuits, sweets bought by weight and given to you in a paper bag.
Then any very dirty rubbish was wrapped in paper before binning and spare newspaper used to light the fire (or as loo paper if you were badly off).
So I suppose the majority of lingering waste that went to the dump was glass or tin cans. All our family waste for a week went easily into a standard metal dustbin.

I posted a long rant a few pages back but basically so long as the oil industry is profitable single use plastic will continue to be produced and won't be recycled. So we keep burying it or burning it or letting it blow into hedges and trees.

I’m ok with plastic external wrap. But I do like the move to paper cardboard.
what annoys me is the likes of Fox’s biscuits with their inner plastic tray designed to trick you into thinking the pack is bigger when it’s not. They’re on my banned list now.

It's unbelievable to me that land owners who have rubbish dumped on their land are responsible for it's removal! The problem is much bigger than a few mattresses. It's organised crime on a big scale and the police and council likely don't care as it's the land owners problem.

I hate fly tipping but I don't think the council have done much to improve it.

I'm not sure about vans but they used to allow trailers below a certain size, they've changed the rules to not allow any trailers. They've also recently decided not to allow any upholstered furniture (unsure of the reason) like sofas, chairs anything that has a cushion/seat. They don't allow tyres, but I don't think that is unusual. Even for residents to take domestic waste you need to have applied for a permit, which is free for residents, but many people don't realise you need this.

In our part of London, the Council will only take certain bulky items and lead times are long. A higher majority of people don't have a car. However you stick a mattress at the end of the road it is gone within 24 hours (no, I personally haven't done this, just what I have observed).

I've noticed that our recycling centre is getting stricter on what you can bring and you get told off sometimes if you don't do things a certain way. They've stopped collecting clothing for example, but I don't know what we're supposed to do with it (it's old stuff, I don't buy fast fashion). We visited the centre yesterday and dh sneaked the clothing into the general waste skip, which was very full. There was a long queue, drivers honking horns and it all felt a bit tense.

I think the countries which have been taking our discarded clothing are no longer doing so because it just ends up in clothing mountains or on beaches. It's not getting recycled because it's synthetic rubbish. I don't think our council or the collection charities can accommodate it anymore.

I'm not excusing fly tipping at all, but it doesn't take much to put people off visiting the recycling centre and then they're dumping things instead. People are buying too much stuff and updating too often.

There was a fairly recent law change on getting rid of upholstered furniture and our tip had separate area for it, also you have to make sure none of the cushions were split open. Years ago DH had a couple of car tyres to get rid of and he paid a fiver each at the local garage to dispose of them as the tip didn't take them.

There was a huge dump of tyres and oil in our county recently which was on the news.