Military conscription

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There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

So without conscription in WW2 you'd be typing this in German. All Jewish people in Europe would have been killed, ditto gay people, gypsies, disabled people.... just let that sink in for a mo.

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Or being invaded by a country with a history of human rights abuses, torture, forced abduction and murder.

Look at what's happening in Ukraine. Children abducted, prisoners of war raped and castrated, civilians murdered, women sexually abused

Sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils.

I am in the armed forces, and though we would obviously all prefer a world where we don’t need conscription, your view is idealistic. It’s giving ‘us and them’ energy to be honest and I find it a bit offensive. Would you prefer no armed forces & we all just surrender to anyone that wants to invade? Or are you ok with my kids loosing their mum, my mum loosing her daughter etc in the interest of your family being safe & free?

As a side note, in peacetime none of us want conscription. Do you think it would be easy working with an influx of people who don’t want to be there? But if it’s a case of ww3, of course it would be necessary.

Well, there’s your first three volunteers OP 🤭

OP ~ I think you're forgetting that, if this country was under threat, a lot of people would feel differently to what they do now. Both my DGF's were conscientious objectors during WW1 (both served as ambulance drivers in France) but they felt differently when WW2 was imminent and both of them took on civilian roles as well as continuing their day jobs as they were too old to serve in the armed forces. All of their sons served in the military, my DF joined the Home Guard at 17 before his conscription at the age of 18. Yes, it is awful and I know my grandparents found it extremely difficult when their sons were serving abroad (and out of contact for months on end) as did my own DP's when my DB was in the army during the Iraq & Afghanistan wars.

I can fully understand how you feel but, given the human rights that are at stake, I think you're being a bit naive

Well I don’t know who you think is going to fight. All my life I have heard people running this country down - sneering at its culture, demonising its national heroes and telling us its history is shameful. The left have got complete control of academia, the arts and the publishing industry, and they have used their influence to make us hate ourselves. On top of that we have had mass immigration. Put the two together and you have a new country. The left have got what they wanted. They have imposed a new identity on me, and they can go and fight for it.

I hope all the people who are for this

They and there families will be first to sign up

I think it's easy to say that we should do this as everyone always has an excuse why it should not be them

It's easy to assume it will be someone's else family and children who will go first and they will get to continue their lives as normal

But gender, age and any other reason should not be an excuse

If you think this is a good idea, you should go first

A few months ago a veteran on breakfast TV said it wasn't worth it. Let that sink in

My son will be conscripted as my country has conscription and has had it for a very long time. I am OK with this because I know the alternative is far far worse. My country borders Russia and has been invaded by it many times, so we know the value of conscription and everyone playing their part to defend the country (everyone, not just the military, it's total defence)

There won't be conscription in the UK. The nature of warfare is very different. In any case, regardless of the cause, many people would refuse to go.

Not sure why I fell for this thread expecting anything other than the Op ignoring opinions that differ from her own 🙄

If you think this is a good idea, you should go first - you don’t have to think it’s a good idea to understand it could be necessary.

I wouldn’t fight for this government, I’ve seen how they treat war veterans.

Is it? We have literal trench warfare at the edge of Europe right now, I don't see much difference

They've made it clear they despise me and will act against my interests

Couldn’t agree more with what you said.

My dc would not go. I would not go. Why should the general public be dragged into the real life war games of rich old men.

There is no way in Hell that I'm fighting for Starmer.

I think it's a bit rich that the government would expect the men they called racist and far right for flying the UK flag to suddenly go fight and die under it.

Who are we supposed to be fighting? Do we spill British blood to fight one fascist dictator while ignoring the actions of another? Trump sees the UK as an 'Islamist state', I reckon long term we have just as much to fear from him as we do Putin.

No one fights for the government. They fight for their family.
If things have got so bad that our family is at risk, I hope most of us would want to defend them.

Sadly I agree with this.

To end up with the Britain we have now. 2 tier justice
Mass immigration
NHS on its knees because of poor management and lack of investment.
No manufacturing sector.
Involvement with the cap, and subsequent policies have destroyed British agriculture.

I disagree, the forces fight where and when they are told to by Government.

It is, isn’t it, the hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds,

If at the end of it the working class are guaranteed council houses again, perhaps. If the politicians are going to keep telling everyone that the resources of this country is equally everyone's, regardless of where you were born, not so much. The peasants have always been forced to lay down their lives for the wealthy/powerful, lucky enough we've now woken up. I'm a first and second generation immigrant.