Military conscription

[Donotpanicoknowpanic]

There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

Well if Trump invades, I don't mind taking up arms. I'm old (70), I have had a good life and am happy to try to save us from the Orange maniac. Rather be dead than orange, as someone once almost didn't quite say.

If someone needs an Officer of Hyperbole, we have a winner.

Russia has a long and storied history of sending wave upon wave of conscripts. One quote I remember (possibly incorrectly) from a German officer in Stalingrad was, “they kept coming and I realised they were telling us that they had more men than we had bullets”. Often these men had guns at their backs and fronts. I assume they still do. We do not want to be Russians. Either in this way, or because they take the UK.

Canada is starting a supplementary reserve force of around 300k of people. Age/fitness/ability are less stringent than the standing army. Teach people to handle guns and large equipment, basic field medicine, and doing things like working drones. I absolutely would sign up for something like that. Support the real service people to do the essential skilled work while unfit 50 yos do what they can. And if the worst happens, help defend my home. I’m a good shot.

So, what alternative do you propose?

What are you on about? Sending old and disabled people to the frontline is counterproductive in terms of military strength. You're sounding a bit botty. And if you're sending literally all adults to the frontline, who is doing everything else?

If the US invades Greenland then its military capabilities would make it insane to go against. Also, is it in our interests to declare war on our strongest ally (even of currently completely mad) If Russia wanted to invade the UK (v unlikely) ,as someone else said, our military would last a few months against them so defence would be pointless. The only defence is nuclear. If China invades Taiwan then we wouldn't be in a position to do anything unless the US did. Maybe Putin might try to take a bit of Finland or Poland if he wins the war in Ukraine if he thinks he could get away with it? Who knows what the response would be? Will NATO even exist in a year.

It will probably be everyone between 18 and 60 anyway

It’s grim, it’s a lot of drone warfare. They’d probably take anyone.

Well at least after COVID lockdowns we have an army of young lads who would be great at computer warfare/ drone warfare.
I'm not sure how physically equipped they could be though.

modern war

https://gwaramedia.com/en/ground-drone-defends-ukraines-infantry-positions-against-russian-assaults-for-45-days/

This is so weird. I’m a lefty but that’s not my experience. Neither I nor anyone I know has run the country down in the way you describe - except perhaps, more recently, Farage and his mates (and Trump and his mates).

I’m confused about this ‘new identity’ that’s been forced on you. What is it and how does it differ from the one you had before? And how does anyone force an identity on you - your identity is what you feel about yourself, surely?

Why would you say the UK won't be invaded? Obviously if there was a war and we didn't fight back we would be invaded and any resistance crushed.

But I don't think the next big war will be fought by mass troops, it will be cyber attacks, biological and chemical weapons and nukes. So our children won't all go off to war they will be slaughtered at home!

Yeah, he wasn’t meaning that. He was talking about the way the country is divided against itself because of people like Farage.

I don't think future wars will be about countries, they will be between a few billionaire or trillionaires who have control of everything and still demand more oil and minerals.
The world should have put limits on personal wealth years ago.

Nobody is called racist for ‘fly8ng the flag’. They are called racist for using the flag to enact their racist views and intimidate.
Nobody except people trying to wind themselves into an anti U.K. frenzy is talking about conscription anyway.

@Donotpanicoknowpanic . Nobody is talking about conscription except people trying to stir up anti U.K. and anti government feeling. The forces wouldn’t want conscripted anyway - warfare is too technical these days to throw untrained people at it. Yes, I know there’s hand to hand stuff with conscripts in Ukraine, but that’s desperation not planning and we have the advantage of being an island. It’s vanishingly unlikely anything like that would happen here. Stop winding yourself up.
Plus nobody thinks conscription is a good idea - they just recognise that in some desperate situations it’s necessary. Doesn’t mean they like it.

@Donotpanicoknowpanic won’t answer the question of how she would want this to pan out in the event of the WWIII scenario she herself set up in her opening post. She’s been asked several times and doesn’t respond to a scenario in which she and her children might very well die or be captured anyway if there is no conscription.

Just wants to rail at people who see conscription as a potential, terrible inevitability.

This is a theoretical conversation

I don't for one second think it would happen

I can remember how a lot the boys at school were saying it wasn't worth revising for their O levels in 1982 because they'd have to be conscripted because the Falklands had kicked off.

I think I know where their children ended up 😀

Most of the racists were flying the English St George flag, not the Union Jack. And I for one object to them hi-jacking our flags and associating them with their nasty opinions. But a very clever tactic I mean you can't complain about someone 'patriotically' flying a flag can you?

I won’t fight or support the sending of my child to fight for a current Government who demonise every view I have. If you think Britain has the same values it did in the early 20th century when it was worth fighting for then I’ll give you your first Military Medal, in Naivety and Burying your Head in the sand.

And if you think your children will be safe staying at home, you are also deluded. It won't be that sort of war.

Which views are being demonised?

So if the UK was under threat of invasion, you'd not want conscription because you don't like Starmer and co.? Or do you not agree with conscription generally, whoever is in power?

So what’s the point then? Why wind people up with something you don’t believe to be true? Why start by saying there is lots of talk about it? Why not post that you think people talking about conscription are wrong?

They can go to hell. There's no way me and mine are fighting for a Britain that's utterly despised by globalist starmer and his cabal. See what successive so called governments have reduced the country to since the last wars. It wasn't worth it and I'm ashamed to say that because I totally respect those who fought and gave their lives.

Send snivelling starmer and his cronies to the front instead. Remember, a war ensures compliance from the next three generations. Ask yourselves why starmer so badly wants a war.

We're all being had.