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Eurovision…… can’t handle this 💩 anymore!

239 replies

SheThinksShesAllThat · 04/12/2025 19:15

Whoever has pulled out of the Eurovision because Isreal are competing….. pathetic!

Spain, Ireland … to name a few.

Answer me this- if you have a nurse/doctor from Isreal or Israeli decent….. will you not be seen by them?

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Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 22:52

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 22:48

You’re continually winning the ‘missing the point’ prize on this thread. And also the psychopath prize. No, I would prefer for the perpetrator to be punished, and not the perpetrator’s innocent child. Because I don’t believe in collective punishment.

Of course Israel had to respond to the October 7th attack, and to defend themselves. But torture, sodomy and mass starvation are not justifiable defensive tactics.

I am simply trying to make the point that people who have been hurt can cross moral lines when responding to that hurt. This is a simple concept that most adults with half a brain can grasp.

Edited

Maybe read my latest post before resorting to childish name calling about mental health issues. Just goes to show what you’re up against, I apologised for a simple mistake but now I’m not worthy of posting because of misdemeanour. Are you a politician?

Celestialmoods · 04/12/2025 22:54

SpaceRaccoon · 04/12/2025 21:32

I'd imagine Israelis are more concerned about not being massacred again than what various leftie virtue signallers in the West think of them.

By who? The hungry refugees in Gaza or the people who’s homes they have been viciously stealing and for decades?

It’s clearly not the Israelis that need to worry about being massacred. Nobody without severe bias and brainwashing believes that anymore.

Peachandpassionfruit · 04/12/2025 22:54

I hope the 2026 Eurovision collapses.
But it won’t.
The Israeli campaign of bot voting will ensure they’ll win it.
It’s all so predictable.

Kudos to the Spanish, Dutch, Irish and Slovenian broadcasters for pulling out.

OmNomShiva · 04/12/2025 22:56

Zov · 04/12/2025 22:31

But why did Israel attack?

I'll wait.

Why did Hamas attack on 7th October ?

I’ve attached some data, which might be a clue…

Eurovision…… can’t handle this 💩 anymore!
Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 22:59

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 22:49

You are a psychopath.

You had to read it twice as did I. So do not call me a psychopath. If you’d live through war as I have you’d sit back down on your heels and give over. I’ve been there, I’ve no bitterness. I have friends from Kosovo who came here during their war.

You do not have a clue what you are talking about and this post is specifically about the Israel singer. I do not think there is any reason why he/she shouldn’t. I don’t want to discuss the current war in Israel, this post is about the Eurovision.

Isittimeformynapyet · 04/12/2025 23:01

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 22:10

I was being pedantic but thanks for your contribution.

It didn't work. That was just belligerent extrapolation, not pedantry.

@EddyNeddy I'm liking your posts.

Livelovebehappy · 04/12/2025 23:01

Fedupmumofadultsons · 04/12/2025 22:45

The time for Israel defending itself has past. the first bombardment fair enough .but years later .they are doing what they have complained against from the war the abused is now the abuser and before people jump down my throat my jewish relatives are so ashamed of the government. And as a grandchild of Jewish immigrants so am I

But why didn’t Hamas release the hostages? That was what Israel asked for right from the start. If Hamas had released them, then just think how many Palestinians might still be alive today. Keeping the hostages for two years has achieved nothing.

2021x · 04/12/2025 23:04

Peachandpassionfruit · 04/12/2025 22:54

I hope the 2026 Eurovision collapses.
But it won’t.
The Israeli campaign of bot voting will ensure they’ll win it.
It’s all so predictable.

Kudos to the Spanish, Dutch, Irish and Slovenian broadcasters for pulling out.

I think there is something to be said for pulling out for political reasons, but I hope the UK doesn't send an entry for safety concerns. I have a genuine concern that the live broadcast could be used by militant extremists and all of the performers (especially the Israeli performer) would be hugely at risk.

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:05

Livelovebehappy · 04/12/2025 23:01

But why didn’t Hamas release the hostages? That was what Israel asked for right from the start. If Hamas had released them, then just think how many Palestinians might still be alive today. Keeping the hostages for two years has achieved nothing.

Why do you keep repeating that line without engaging with any of the responses you are getting? Do you seriously believe that ‘Hamas could have stopped it at any time’ justifies any and every human rights abuse committed against Palestinian civilians who had no ability to compel Hamas to do that?

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:07

Isittimeformynapyet · 04/12/2025 23:01

It didn't work. That was just belligerent extrapolation, not pedantry.

@EddyNeddy I'm liking your posts.

Was it really? How? I thought I was being annoying and tedious but clearly not. Love all these free Palestine supporters jumping on a Eurovision post. Can you all not start your own post about the war? I’m sure there are numerous threads.

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:07

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 22:52

Maybe read my latest post before resorting to childish name calling about mental health issues. Just goes to show what you’re up against, I apologised for a simple mistake but now I’m not worthy of posting because of misdemeanour. Are you a politician?

So you don’t think that someone would be justified in murdering your child if your husband murdered their child? So why do dead Israeli babies justify dead Palestinian babies?

Livelovebehappy · 04/12/2025 23:07

OmNomShiva · 04/12/2025 22:56

Why did Hamas attack on 7th October ?

I’ve attached some data, which might be a clue…

And so Hamas decided to kidnap, rape and murder some festival goers. For what? What did they honestly think it would achieve. They hid them under the hospitals and schools, and then just waited, with no plan. The only thing they asked for in the two years since is for the release of Palestinian prisoners, but that wasn’t the reason for the killings and kidnaps on Oct 7th. All that’s happened is thousands of dead Palestinians, and Hamas leaders becoming millionaires…

2021x · 04/12/2025 23:10

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:07

Was it really? How? I thought I was being annoying and tedious but clearly not. Love all these free Palestine supporters jumping on a Eurovision post. Can you all not start your own post about the war? I’m sure there are numerous threads.

With respect no one here is talking about Freeing Palenstine" and you are also not discussing Eurovision either.

Are you concerned about the Israeli artist that will be attending next year?

OonaStubbs · 04/12/2025 23:12

Palestine has proved time and time again that they will keep attacking Israel. Hamas have vowed to wipe Israel off the map. What are Israel supposed to do? Let themselves be defeated?

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:14

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:05

Why do you keep repeating that line without engaging with any of the responses you are getting? Do you seriously believe that ‘Hamas could have stopped it at any time’ justifies any and every human rights abuse committed against Palestinian civilians who had no ability to compel Hamas to do that?

I support the Israeli people, I am of Christian belief. I have already said I do not support the acts of Israel in terms of being disproportionate and extreme. But I do think the Islamic Hamas are using their citizens as cannon fodder. I just don’t understand how a music competition is caught up in this.

HappyFace2025 · 04/12/2025 23:14

icebearforpresident · 04/12/2025 20:32

I can see why Israel ‘defended’ itself, which in this context would have been a day or two of bombing. What they have done is genocide.Sustained genocide over a period of years.

The criticism with Eurovision is that the second Russian troops stepped into Ukraine they were kicked out of Eurovision. But Israel have came close to winning twice now since the invasion of Palestine and it would have been the end of the contest. I love Eurovision and I believe Israel has a right to exist but it’s not hard to see the hypocrisy in the situation the contest has found itself in.

There has been no invasion of Palestine. Hamas began the war from Gaza by invading Israeli territory.

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:15

Livelovebehappy · 04/12/2025 23:07

And so Hamas decided to kidnap, rape and murder some festival goers. For what? What did they honestly think it would achieve. They hid them under the hospitals and schools, and then just waited, with no plan. The only thing they asked for in the two years since is for the release of Palestinian prisoners, but that wasn’t the reason for the killings and kidnaps on Oct 7th. All that’s happened is thousands of dead Palestinians, and Hamas leaders becoming millionaires…

And do you think that everything Israel has done since makes another October 7th less likely? Sure, in the short-term, Hamas’ military capacity is wiped out, but a generation of Palestinian children have just spent two years living through unimaginable terror, with death and destruction raining from the sky, and they will blame that trauma in its entirety on Israel. Being bombed is a radicalising experience - you can’t bomb people out of wanting to kill you.

Everything that the Israelis experienced on October 7th, they have lived for 2 years - and at a far greater scale. Only a small minority of Israelis living in the border communities and at the Nova Festival were in real mortal danger on October 7th. But Gazans throughout the strip were in real mortal danger everyday for 2 years. However traumatised the Israelis are, the Palestinian civilians are a million times more. That is a fact. And it will inevitably lead to more attacks on Israelis that further radicalise them, and another radicalising cycle of violence.

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:16

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:07

So you don’t think that someone would be justified in murdering your child if your husband murdered their child? So why do dead Israeli babies justify dead Palestinian babies?

Have you still not read my update? It was posted about 15 minutes ago but still you concentrate on the previous one which I acknowledged as not read properly.

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:17

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:16

Have you still not read my update? It was posted about 15 minutes ago but still you concentrate on the previous one which I acknowledged as not read properly.

Edited

The post you are quoting is from after I read your update. Keep up. I am questioning why if you don’t, as you now claim, believe that a murder victim’s family are justified in killing the perpetrator’s own child, dead Israeli babies justify dead Palestinian babies?

Livelovebehappy · 04/12/2025 23:17

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:07

Was it really? How? I thought I was being annoying and tedious but clearly not. Love all these free Palestine supporters jumping on a Eurovision post. Can you all not start your own post about the war? I’m sure there are numerous threads.

There are, but unfortunately they've just become very quiet echo chambers for the pro Palestinian supporters, where they just argue amongst themselves because no-once else cares enough to engage. Life has moved on to other things. There’s nothing else to fight for as the hostages have now been released which is all Israel asked for. Hamas can now use the millions they’ve accumulated over the last couple of years to help rebuild….wont hold our breath though..

Isittimeformynapyet · 04/12/2025 23:18

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:07

Was it really? How? I thought I was being annoying and tedious but clearly not. Love all these free Palestine supporters jumping on a Eurovision post. Can you all not start your own post about the war? I’m sure there are numerous threads.

So we boycott TV because they show the Eurovision?

This wasn't pedantry because @EddyNeddy didn't say or imply that viewers would turn off the whole of TV.

Am I being pedantic 🤔

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:19

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:14

I support the Israeli people, I am of Christian belief. I have already said I do not support the acts of Israel in terms of being disproportionate and extreme. But I do think the Islamic Hamas are using their citizens as cannon fodder. I just don’t understand how a music competition is caught up in this.

Because some people can’t put mass murder to one side and enjoy a singing competition as easily as your good Christian self can.

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:20

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 22:46

Sorry, I must apologise, I read it too quickly. Your option should focus on the perpetrator and not the children before I’m called all sorts of names.

See below posted a while ago. Nothing about children which you are so intent on.

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:22

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:20

See below posted a while ago. Nothing about children which you are so intent on.

Can you read? Because if you actually read the thread you are quoting, the conversation into which you inserted yourself, you would see that the poster I was responding to claimed that because the Palestinian babies weren’t ‘lined up and shot in the head’, their deaths were morally justifiable.

Abbie7327 · 04/12/2025 23:23

EddyNeddy · 04/12/2025 23:19

Because some people can’t put mass murder to one side and enjoy a singing competition as easily as your good Christian self can.

Edited

why don’t you go out there and support the cause? What are you doing for those poor wee kids? Just arguing with people on social media who don’t really mind a singer on TV? Maybe you should take a flight out and sort everything out before you start slandering people here. Good luck to you. Hope you save them all. Maybe drop by Sudan on the way home, bit of genocide going on there but no one really cares about them eh?