To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

Why would people change their mind from understanding truth and reality to sharing a deceit and confusion?

The reality is that no one has shown any evidence that any man can ever become a woman so if you are a ruthless empiricist then you would presumably follow the logic / science and know this.

None of the posts about him so far really make clear the real horror of "Stefoknee's" relationship with the people he lives with.

Part of their sick roleplay involving "Stefoknee" involves the male father figure in this creepy threesome having sex with Stefoknee while they all pretend he is a 6 year old girl.

It's disgusting, fetishistic, and a paedophilic fantasy IMO, I would not be surprised if real crimes perpetrated by these people were discovered down the line.

It's unclear what he was in jail for. If it in fact happened. Some quotes:

'...even in the worst situation there were still things to laugh about even when I was I was in solitary confinement for nine days and even there by myself with just my thoughts, there were things to laugh about '

' I remember going to a bar one night and there was this underage trans girl she was about 14 or 15 years old in a bar and she was a sex trade worker and it broke my heart to see her in there doing what she was doing so I took her aside and I said can we go for coffee '

'the priest from our church suggested that I was possessed by the evil one for being transgender but then I saw myself if I'm integrating myself into this world and helping people get reunited with their children that's got to be God's work I'm I must be following my calling right and so I embraced everything that happened as it was predestined'

'the nurses and the doctors, um, when they originally heard some of the
things I was saying they thought I was delusional. I was making, uh, predictions - I was prophesizing, and as these things came true, they realized, okay, there's
something here that we can't explain, but it's not delusion, there's no del -
delusion here ,Stephanie's really saying what's on her mind, and she says it
because it needs to be, uh, vocalized and in saying the words the prophecy comes true, and quite often - and there's lots of examples of it in the book and, uh, those things are amazing to me because anyone who is, uh, very spiritual, very religious could look at my life and say, oh, I'm a bad person and, uh, you know that I need to find Jesus, and you know redeem myself, but they'll learn by reading thebook not only did I not lose Jesus, I was working with Jesus, I was working with God.'

Well, you know, I am shocked.

Better hope that this is true eh? Because what if it turns out I’m not?

Thing is Tandora, we've all done that self reflective work already.

I don't think you have. Or at least if you have, you don't really care.

It's very clear from the years of posts I've seen you make on this subject that you just couldn't care less about women. You are a misogynist, no matter how many thousands of words you use to try and convince us otherwise.

Oh and the reason you don't link to "evidence" these days is because everything you've linked to in the past has been soundly debunked as the bad science and opinion pieces they have been.

You claim to be a well educated authority on this subject, with a Phd and real life experience, and yet nothing you post has ever supported that IMO, it appears to be a not-very-well constructed fantasy.

The previous poster who described Tandora as only possessing a thesaurus and an ideology was hilariously accurate.

no im not a misogynist, im an ardent feminist. Always have been- always will be. Being a feminist was a core part of my values/ belief system/ identity long before I even knew anything about trans people or being trans.

I care about women. I also believe that trans people are real, valid and exactly who they say they are. There is no incompatibility here.

So you believe that Stefonknee is a six year old girl?

I’m at a loss as to your obsession with one allegedly weird individual you’ve found a video about on YouTube. It’s got nothing to do with a grown up , rational conversation about sex, gender and being trans.

😁

Well, back of the net with Tandora’s non answer to what about Stefonknee 🤣 Of course he’s just a lone Wolf, a weirdo, so he can’t be placed on the multidimensional axis & considered.

How terribly convenient! It doesn’t matter if he’s Weirdy McWeirdo, winner of this years Mr Weirdo competition. The point stands, if he says he’s trans and a 6 year old girl, is his sense of being a female child as valid as his sense of being a female?

Obviously there’s a sliding scale of nice trans people & naughty, unacceptable ones. A bit like when blokes are convicted & suddenly decide they’ve always been a woman so please, can I go in with the girls? We’re then told Oh they’re not proper/real trans. How very discriminatory!!

At a loss again? You do seem to be struggling today. Insufficient sleep?

If you met that answer on a dark, drizzly night, in a narrow alleyway on the wrong side of town, after you'd had a few beers, you might consider it an attempt at answering the question.

It’s noticeable that Molly Sparkles, the toilet selfie crew etc are ignored by the likes of Tandora. They’re a bit like the drunk uncle at a wedding who always makes a fool of himself, but in his drunken ramblings often says something spot on.

These blokes are always telling on themselves. They can hardly believe their luck. Their fantasy lives, once confined mainly to their bedrooms, are now plastered all over social media. And people applaud them, fly flags for them, pretend they can self ID into women’s spaces. What a kick!

I don’t think Tandora is thinking of men filming themselves dilating on the floor of airport toilets. Not when they’re explaining the beauty of the personal experience of femaleness for a male.

"Biological sex is a multidimensional variable with various components"
"I’m a ruthless empiricist"
"I'm an ardent feminist"

All quotes from Tandora.

Tandora must have a Phd in an art and entertainment adjacent field of study, because Tandora is such a comedian.

What is it with TRAs being at a loss today?

Sure, Jan on the other thread did exactly the same thing today when finding they couldn't find a way to argue their lies over JKR any longer.

Tandora is certainly not a nurse or doctor.

I find Tandora funny because it’s such a carefully crafted persona, to basically explain blokes who want to dress & be seen as women.

And even if they all had this unique deep experience of femaleness, sadly the answer is still so what? You can think you’ve got wings & can fly, but good luck trying to take off at Heathrow.

And it's even more hilarious because it's the likes of Molly and Willoughby who get the most interviews and pandering to by the public sector and corporate gender wangers.

Exactly. India Willoughby on Question Time, you couldn’t make it up! And the guy who always wears fishnets, got drunk on the stage with Peter Tatchell & Helen Joyce (can’t think of his name) often pops up as a talking head. It’s like substituting Andrea Botchelli with The Chuckle Brothers!

Good point.

There is no woman that we can say is not a woman just because she’s a massive weirdo or has behaved terribly.

@Tandora ‘s rather blatant sidestepping of the question implies that Tandora doesn’t accept Stefoknee’s apparently genuine ‘understanding’ of himself as a 6 year old girl which rather looks like denying a transperson’s existence by Tandora’s previously stated standards.

I have heard similar dismissals of men like Karen White and famously Isla Bryson which raises the question - why is it ok to dismiss the veracity of the claims of those men, yet we all have to unquestioningly accept the claims of all of the other men?

You can’t pick and choose, if you accept the self declaration of one of these men of their ‘understanding’ of themselves as a female , you have to accept them all.

It clearly can’t be about the bad behaviour of these specific men as the Scottish Government refused to say that convicted rapists needed extra checks before obtaining a GRC. So what is it Tandora? What is your criteria for accepting a claim of being trans. Stefoknee is clearly sincere as he split up his family in his quest to find his ‘true self’. Are you having trouble accepting his self ‘understanding’?

Freda Wallace is the guy I was thinking of.

@BundleBoogie

Well said.

It does seem a very fragile identity if it can be denied you because you’re not the right sort of trans person.

A bit like a previous poster said, if not being able to enter a female single sex space means a man will feel his existence is in question, what does that mean?

If I’m on a desert island with no one to refer to me or behave towards me as a woman I remain a woman. As I would even if everybody called me a man.

Freda.

It is clearly a very fragile identity if it goes up in a puff of smoke if it is not validated by everyone.

Notably Tandora ignores the fact that several transwomen do indeed access the male toilets without their transness disappearing in a cloud of smoke, they don't need to use unconsenting women and girls as props or for validation, they still remain trans, odd that.

Women and girls are not on this earth to be props or provide validation for males inner feelings Tandora, no feminist in the world would ever advocate for or support the use of women and girls in that way.

I do so love the distancing from not the right sort of trans, the sheer hypocrisy is off the scale.

You know when transactivists are saying stuff like this and it's getting retweeted, Im kinda like how the fuck does anyone take them remotely seriously?