To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

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"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

None of my trans friends are going to forced out of spaces that they've been using forever, while I'm around. I'll speak up for them and I'll go with them.

You have absolutely no right to allow males into women only spaces. It is utterly shameful that you'd even consider it; they are not your spaces to give away. You've clearly never even considered the rights and feelings of other women in those spaces - abuse and assault survivors, women who need privacy and dignity for whatever reason, or women who simply do not want to share a space like a loo, changing room or whatever with a man.

Ultimately though, you can "speak up" all you like. The Equality Act has been clarified by the Supreme Court ruling: transwomen are men and are therefore excluded from women's single sex spaces. The EHRC statement due shortly will clarify this further and make it clear that this is to be enforced. Your trans-identifying male friends cannot use women only spaces.

You can't use the men's either, that's not fair on men.

The proposed law on needing a birth certificate to access toilets is beyond stupid. Who is going to be policing and enforcing this? Do you expect already overworked hospitality and retail staff to have this added to their duties?

The nonsense of ‘oh, I’m popping to the shops, I’ll check I’ve got my birth certificate in case I need the loo’ is unbelievable.

Your male friends don’t pass as women. They never have. People are just being polite.

males do not belong in my daughters changing room, toilets, clubs, sports teams or any other sexed space. Stay out.

How can it violate a transwoman’s right to privacy by sharing a toilet with someone they perceive to be the opposite gender, but not violate a woman’s privacy by sharing a toilet with someone they (rightly) perceive to be the opposite sex?

Make it make sense… oh hang on, that’s impossible.

First responders. Paramedics. Drs. Nurses. Teachers if there’s a female pupil in distress in the female toilets.
What if it’s a male security guard in a club and a woman is attacking a woman in the women’s toilets? With a knife? No men allowed hey?
Woman has a cardiac arrest at your workplace. Male first aider can’t help.
Male cleaners at the Motorway Service stations.

Can’t we simply say men should not violently attack women in any space whatsoever?

Which we already do.

It would be ridiculous if say, 50% of trans people passed. But they don’t. The number that pass unquestioned is so near zero that it doesn’t matter.

what matters is great big males bodies, blundering around private female spaces.

it will be enforced the same way it always was. With people questioning males trying to enter female spaces.

Firstly, it's not a proposed law. The Supreme Court has ruled, and the upcoming EHRC document is setting out how it applies. The law has not changed and nor will it.

Secondly, it's not going to be the case that everyone has to provide ID to use a loo. Organisations will have the right to ask for a birth certificate if someone really wants to prove they are the sex they claim they are, but my understanding of it is this is a back-stop in the event of a dispute, not an every day occurrence. For example, a man who says he's a woman kicks up a fuss because as well as wearing a dress and make-up he's had surgery and takes hormones, so he's adamant he's a woman. The venue asks for his birth certificate, which shows he's male and that's the end of the matter.

If my work expects me to police this idiotic law I will firmly say no and explain why.

But we live in a world where taking photos of ‘suspect’ women in toilets without their consent is encouraged. That’s not what I’d call safe for women.

These anre obvious exceptions that prove the rule that males should not be allowed in female spaces.

it’s not a gotcha at all

It’s the law. If it’s your job to enforce it, do it or get another job. Why would you throw females right to privacy and dignity under the bus for males?

No. We can simply say that female only toilets, changing rooms etc are for women and girls (and small boys with their mum) only, not any men, except in cases where a male emergency worker needs to enter.

The fact that they want to force their unwanted presence on others is indicative of their unbalanced mindset. Further indication, indeed, as if any more proof were needed. The word Histrionic seems to have gone out of fashion, but I can’t think of a better one to describe the entire modus operandi of these men.
Dont go where you aren’t wanted! Time to receive the memo!

If anyone thinks needing a birth certificate to access a basic right as a toilet is ok, you’re seriously deluded.

If you allow men into women's spaces, you lay your employer open to legal action. Good luck with that.

As for photographs, I don't advocate vigilante action but if it needs to be proven that a man is in a woman's space then maybe it's necessary. What's not safe for women is men - with their sexual predation (98% of sexual assaults are carried out by men) and male physical strength (physical advantages of male puberty are retained despite taking hormones or whatever) and their very presence in their changing rooms, loos, prisons, sports etc. etc.

Great. Let’s add to the work load of women.

Oh here we go.

GNC/Masculine women aren't fired/harassed/hurt by excluding males from female spaces.

It would be a completely unenforcable law, that is without invasive medical tests/intrusive ID checks, and the collateral damage of masculine looking women being fired/harassed/hurt.

oh don't be so bloody disingenuous. how the heck do you think we managed before the TRAs decided they hate women having the ability to pee in a place not full of men?

And don't you dare bring butch looking women into it. They are women and it is clear when asked, that they are. If you want to cover up the fact that you are a woman, prepare to have people ask.

This is on the rabid TRAs. Overreached and now they are reaping the consequences.

You're deluded if you think this is actually going to happen more than a handful of times.

And for those times it does happen, it will be worth it to prove to men that they need to stay OUT of women's spaces. It will only need to happen a few times before everyone gets the message. Maybe even you.

How is being clear about who can use a space “adding to the workload of women”? Did you mean to reply to someone else?

You don’t. Not if you stay in the toilet made for your sex.

I suspect hiintrepidheroes is just clutching at straws now.

I do think it'll be totally unenforceable. I was in Primark the other day and saw that they now have "Women's" and "All Genders" changing rooms. A person I am fairly sure was a trans woman went into the women's. The bored-looking girl on the desk just gave her the tag thing and barely looked up. This will be the reality -- nobody getting paid minimum wage is going to be arsed to kick up a fuss, and if anyone did, they'll just say "I didn't think they looked trans", surely?

On threads where I've asserted that women who do not conform to feminine ideals will be hurt (and are already being hurt/harassed/fired) on the back of this rhetoric, at first it's 'but we can always tell', then when I've posted links/told of my own experience as a tall, muscular, bald woman, I've been told that I am acceptable 'collateral damage'. Maybe if you're manly looking enough people cease to believe you have feelings? I've been told that women like me should just accept being 'challenged' and just tell people I'm a woman. Sorry, no. Not justifying myself. Not explaining myself. Anyone challenging me or my friends will be told to fuck off, or met with silence.

It's funny that I've shared toilets and changing rooms with transwomen for over a decade without incident. Never felt unsafe. Never been unsafe. I have been stared at/been given dirty looks/made to feel unwelcome and unsafe by the 'right type' of women. Especially since this rhetoric has amped up.

True, the girls who flushed my clothes down the toilet and sexually harassed/assaulted me in the PE changing rooms did so on the basis that I was bisexual, as at that point I wasn't quite so manly looking.

I was replying to the person saying that men should no longer be able to access toilets for cleaning or repairs. I work in retail and no one bats an eyelid to male janitors, they always knock and loudly announce they are coming in to clean.

Or should women stick to cleaning everything?

I'm more frightened of being photographed and hassled in women's loos as a rather gender non conforming/ masculine looking woman, than I am about men coming into the loo. I'm not the only one who feels this way.