Trans hate (I don't) and the same old, same old

[RetiringRita]

Well I've been on a few threads this weekend and the one that's been hijacked yet again was the question of trans hate on mumsnet.
The OP asked for opinions on whether that was a fair statement yet within minutes the question was ignored and the same FWR posters were out in force. They didn't want to answer the question so targeted their posts to state their agenda.

Sex as defined by The Surpreme Court ruling
TW perverts in women's prisons
TW perverts in female loos
Men in dresses
FTM having ASD or mental illness.

It appears those of us who sit on the fence are not entitled to be there. Those who cannot be bullied get shouted down.

I have been called the following :

Hand Maiden
Trans Ally
Not part of the sisterhood
Delusional
Captured
Shameful
Mentally ill
A liar (frequently)
A man

None apply to me.

Am I being unreasonable to ask for some understanding and compassion for trans people who don't fit the stereotypes listed?

The fact of the matter is that only men can be trans women and only women can be trans men.

Yes I am, I don't recall seeing that at all.

The 'i have a family member' card is just 'not my Nigel' in different clothes.

Ah, another poster who alleges that there is vitriol against trans people but can't or won't provide any evidence.

Oh, that was this OP with those mince insults? Ok then, seems like this one was started as a weird joke. I'm out.

I need to stop taking people at face value all the time - it's something I struggle with.

I am bothered, and like most women don’t want to encounter men in women’s loos and changing rooms, however “lovely” you personally think they are.

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No one woman has the right to give away the rights of all other women. There are plenty of women who wouldn't be comfortable sharing a single-sex space or service with a male person, for valid reasons which the Equality Act was designed to respect.

They are not facts. They are prejudiced , harmful generalisations, designed to spread fear , misunderstanding and hate.

It would be like saying:

*[insert ethnic minority] child grooming gangs
insert ethnic minority terrorists
Green people in green traditional garb
Green people having co-occurring stigmatised neurodevelopment differences and mental health disorders

you wouldn’t accept this as legitimate for any other group.

OP, I xouldnt care less sharing a changing room with a trans person. All my female friends feel the same. It's just a no event to us. I'm the only one on MN 😁

Understanding and compassion when used as an argument always equates to a) giving men what they want at the expense of women and b) accepting things as true which blatantly aren't.

If there's a path forward that doesn't lead to A or B then please outline it.

I’m as terfy as they come but I’m not going to start insulting other women @RetiringRita and I had noticed that myself with the thread you are talking about, which just proves the point being made. It’s silly, divisive and lacking in critical thinking which is what we are accusing the other side of.

Nuance in all things is good. Men can’t be women in my view. I’m not going to fall out with women about a bunch of men.

Why is there so much air time given to .0005 (or whatever) percent of the population when there are critical issues happening across our country that need far more of the spotlight on them?

The likelyhood that man will claim to be trans to get into a women's bathroom to assault a female has got to be the most stupid, overused argument I have ever heard!

Well that would be extraordinary for a mumsnet thread on trans issues!

100%

Thank you!

Another one of these present 👋

Who has said men will pretend to be trans to attack women in bathrooms?! More hyperbole.

Edited to add - using this argument that no one who wants single sex spaces to remain as such has ever used, to allow men into women’s spaces has got to be the most stupid reason ever, even for TRA’s.

And yet they say nothing against it.

Oh the fear!!!!!

Errr people say this all the time. It’s a favourite argument!

Could you please give us some details as to exactly what you mean by 'understanding and compassion for trans people'?

"I think you'll find this violence against women is not in their name."

Could you also please point out the campaign started by the people who you seem supportive of where they are saying publicly "this violence against women is not in their name."?

And are all those people you are supporting respecting all female single sex spaces and not expecting any person to treat them as female people, even through language please?

fear exactly. Extreme fear. Phobia. Of transness and trans people.

Have you not read the hundreds of articles where this is claimed to be not only a possibility but a certainty! Ridiculous.

Basically this.