Trans hate (I don't) and the same old, same old

[RetiringRita]

Well I've been on a few threads this weekend and the one that's been hijacked yet again was the question of trans hate on mumsnet.
The OP asked for opinions on whether that was a fair statement yet within minutes the question was ignored and the same FWR posters were out in force. They didn't want to answer the question so targeted their posts to state their agenda.

Sex as defined by The Surpreme Court ruling
TW perverts in women's prisons
TW perverts in female loos
Men in dresses
FTM having ASD or mental illness.

It appears those of us who sit on the fence are not entitled to be there. Those who cannot be bullied get shouted down.

I have been called the following :

Hand Maiden
Trans Ally
Not part of the sisterhood
Delusional
Captured
Shameful
Mentally ill
A liar (frequently)
A man

None apply to me.

Am I being unreasonable to ask for some understanding and compassion for trans people who don't fit the stereotypes listed?

What do you mean? Are you trying to imply that women are being pathetic by wanting single-sex services and spaces? You must know that most violent crime and almost all sexual crime is perpetrated by males, and trans-identified males retain a male pattern of offending. Keeping males out is a perfectly valid respoinse in some situations.

Thank you for this voice of reason

They did answer the question. They told OP she was being unreasonable.

If you want a thread where everyone just posts about how nasty and hateful FWR posters are and nobody disagrees then perhaps a public forum is not the right kind of place - you need somewhere a bit more echo-chambery for that to work. I hear facebook groups are quite popular.

I engaged politely with several of your posts including one about your ideas for therapy and one about your ideas for legal reform, neither of which was the topic of the thread, both of which were topics you introduced.

You never responded so I won't be bothering again.

At one end of the scale : Privacy & dignity of women & girls when in a vulnerable state eg undressed.

At the other end of the scale the unique risk males have posed to females since the beginning of time : physical advantage & violence & unwanted sexual attention & ultimately sexual assault & rape.

No, you can be as polite as you like to these men, but anything other than total validation of their identity will get you insulted, threatened and occasionally even assaulted. A TRA screamed in a baby’s face at one event for god’s sake.

Edit: that particular TRA was a woman so it’s not just the men either!

No, you can be as polite as you like to these men, but anything other than total validation of their identity will get you insulted, threatened and occasionally even assaulted.

Who are you talking about here?

TerrierTamer

I was talking about the woman trying to tell me that trans people were the biggest problem in our town when our town is literally falling apart probably due to everything but!!

Lunatics who want to preserve women’s rights that people worked so hard for, only for them to be appropriated by men? Yeah fuck those lunatics. I’ve heard it all now.

And it’s only on Mumsnet where women can’t appear to care about more than one issue, all at the same time.

@,joyDivision79
Did you complain about the man next to you in hospital ? I had a male carry out an internal scan but he saved my life. I was offered a chaperone which I accepted. My surgeon was male. We have medics in the family so I'm quite open, I get that
You can speak out in these situations.

I've told loitering men off for standing too close to women's spaces. I have the advantage of being tall & frightening. I'm also a coppers daughter.

Transwomen when you say no to them mainly, but anyone deep in the ideology TBH. Like o said, it was a TRA woman who screamed on a baby’s face.

And yes, I know some transwomen are lovely but it’s not them we’re talking about is it? It’s the violent misogynist ones, of which there are a significant number (https://terfisaslur.com/ for anyone who doesn’t believe that)

The dominant discourse of the day is that trans people and immigrants are the root of all society’s evils . It’s extremely disturbing

No. Justified caution around male people. For obvious reasons.

I was referring to you saying it’s about how you say no. It’s not. Some people will never accept a no.

Transwomen when you say no to them mainly

Please refrain from making sweeping negative generalisations about trans women. It’s unacceptable.

👏

Please refrain from negative sweeping generalisations Tandora.

What a bizarre question from that poster. I don’t want men in female only spaces, or they aren’t female only. For reasons of privacy, dignity, safety.

Is this not a sweeping negative generalisation levelled at those who want to retain sex based spaces?

Along with -

‘fear exactly. Extreme fear. Phobia. Of transness and trans people’.

So it’s do as I say not as I do?

Always @AccidentallyWesAnderson

Personally (and I can feel the flames flickering at my feet), I think for the most part we are focusing far too much attention in the wrong direction.
Largely, women’s issues of safety come down to men who identify as men. And they are loving our distraction frankly. The vast majority of violence and disadvantage for women comes from men who identify as men.
I would prefer to share a bathroom with a trans woman than a trans man. I have never felt threatened by or otherwise disadvantaged by anyone trans….quite the opposite. I’m sure there are those who have and your experience is of course just as valid as mine…but really it’s still men who identify as men who are the biggest issue by far.
And of course we need to think of them too. I don’t hear anyone caring about the fact that a fully transitioned trans woman has no safe place to use the loo now.

It’s also a disingenuous attempt to elide gender critical feminists, many of whom are left wing and used to be members of Labour, Greens etc but have been bullied out, with Reform supporters.

Yes. I am hoping that they will clarify what they meant.

I mean, surely male people are not generally excluded from single sex female provisions simply because of ‘assault’? This would be a rather falsely narrow representation of the need for safeguarding.

But I am confident that the poster will give more clarification.

Sadly, haters gonna hate, they ramp it up even when they have won a signficant victory. They just love that ole hating.

Everyone has compassion for the trans people who don’t fit your list. We don’t have compassion for those people who believe our compassion for these people should come above our compassion for ourselves. You know… women…who have been abused and used for centuries?

Yep. The sounds of barrel scraping..