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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/

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Errors · 04/11/2024 14:29

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:23

Given Imane Khelif has lost some matches, there isn't a massive difference in strength between them and the top female boxers. Women boxers will be much stronger than the average women and probably the average man. As I said, women boxers have been killed after being punched by women.

It doesn’t matter if he lost any matches against women or not. Maybe he just isn’t that skilled?

Ironically, if a biological female took testosterone and tried to compete, regardless of whether she won or not, she would be disqualified for doping.

jeaux90 · 04/11/2024 14:29

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:23

Given Imane Khelif has lost some matches, there isn't a massive difference in strength between them and the top female boxers. Women boxers will be much stronger than the average women and probably the average man. As I said, women boxers have been killed after being punched by women.

Males don't belong in women's sports. IDGAF if Imane is a mediocre boxer or not, mine and your personal view on boxing is irrelevant. Sex categories exist for reasons of fairness and safety.

Chersfrozenface · 04/11/2024 14:30

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:23

Given Imane Khelif has lost some matches, there isn't a massive difference in strength between them and the top female boxers. Women boxers will be much stronger than the average women and probably the average man. As I said, women boxers have been killed after being punched by women.

Olympic boxing trainer Rafa Lozano has said this about a training camp
"We put [Khelif] with Jennifer Fernandez and it hurt her. Whoever we put [Khelif] with was injured.”

Lozano said that to avoid further injury to the women, the coaches eventually paired Khelif with Jose Quiles, one of Spain’s top male boxers."

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 14:30

HazelLion · 04/11/2024 13:56

Do you have a reputable source for this claim? That website you linked is clearly not a legitimate source.

Reduxx is entirely reputable. They’ve been on the front lines of reporting on issues which affect women and girls for years and their journalists are known for their in depth reporting.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 14:30

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:29

It isn't an "overwhelming" majority.

I'm no Carol Vorderman, but that clearly is an overwhelming majority of fights won, with the few losses one would expect to see.

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 14:30

LBFseBrom · 04/11/2024 14:04

You're joking!

The way I heard it, the pope is identifying as a bear so he can shit in the woods and is converting the bears to catholicism.

DanielaDressen · 04/11/2024 14:31

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:29

It isn't an "overwhelming" majority.

It's 80% isn't it?, I think it's the epitome of an overwhelming majority.

hotoyo · 04/11/2024 14:31

How can this be stopped in future?

TiredEyesSoreHeart · 04/11/2024 14:31

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:29

It isn't an "overwhelming" majority.

Yes, it IS. In anyone's language.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 14:31

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:29

It isn't an "overwhelming" majority.

and Khalif isn't a woman.

Your definition of overwhelming majority is as absurd as your defintion of woman.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 14:31

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 14:30

The way I heard it, the pope is identifying as a bear so he can shit in the woods and is converting the bears to catholicism.

I've had enough of my 9-5 and this sounds fun!

IDareSay · 04/11/2024 14:32

There was certainly no witch hunt. A wizard hunt maybe...

Kudos to Redux, doing the job that most mainstream journalists and news agencies utterly fail to do.

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 14:32

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:29

It isn't an "overwhelming" majority.

I think you'll find it is, but even if it weren't, it doesn't matter. He doesn't belong in women's sports because he is a man. A woman boxer is not a man boxer with a DSD, or an artificially impeded man boxer, or just a really shit man boxer. He's a man. He can compete as one, and win or lose accordingly. But he has no place in women's sports. He's a man.

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:32

DanielaDressen · 04/11/2024 14:28

Oh well then, lets just have mixed fights if there's no difference?????????

Personally I'd rather be punched by a top female boxer than Mike Tyson but there you go.

Even just the average height difference and arm reach length difference will give men a massive advantage. I'm a bit over 5 2"ft, how could I box a 6ft 2" guy? I would have a better chance with an average height woman though.

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Obviously the top male athlete will be better than the top female. There is an overlap though and the top females will be better at punching than the average man on the street.

ForYouAndForMe · 04/11/2024 14:33

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True.

The duck test comes in handy in this case.

If it looks like a duck, swims walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Autumnleaveswhenthegrassisjewelled · 04/11/2024 14:33

ToMeToYou2 · 04/11/2024 14:13

Fancy being outed as having micro-penis, must be mortifying

He outed himself by competing...

jeaux90 · 04/11/2024 14:33

hotoyo · 04/11/2024 14:31

How can this be stopped in future?

Now that is a great question. The IOC have to bring back sex screening, something they stopped in 1999 even though most female athletes supported it remains when polled.

If Seb Coe gets in as the next IOC lead there is hope.

PumpkinPantz · 04/11/2024 14:33

If he was brilliant and skilled he would have been in the men’s division. A man who loses against men can go far in the women’s class.

Im hoping Seb Coe is made Olympic Director as I hope that he sorts out this issue once and for all.

PurpleChrayn · 04/11/2024 14:34

Well, surprise sur-fucking-prise

I knew as soon as I saw his presumably Muslim coach carrying him on his shoulders. A Muslim man wouldn't do that to a women he wasn't married to.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 14:34

TiredEyesSoreHeart · 04/11/2024 14:29

Drug cheats don't steal a place from women or put their lives at risk. You are just being silly now.

Of course drug cheats steal places from women. Its just that its a cheating woman stealing the place. Of course they put their lives at risk. Drugs make them stronger and more aggressive than without drugs, so they punch harder. How does that not make them more dangerous. But again, i do believe its cheating. I don't think sharing the level of detail that is included in this thread is a right thing to do. Say 'report leaked, they knew he was a man' fair enough. Internal testes, micropenis for people to giggle over. Its low.

ItsaGoat · 04/11/2024 14:35

I have enormous sympathy for Imane Khalif and anyone who has DSDs. It must be utterly devastating to hit puberty and realise that you are not developing as other women - and not only that - you are developing as a male.

I have no sympathy when, on learning this, people proceed to support that individual to participate in female sports. Was Imane ever participating in male boxing competitions? Did they switch to female boxing recently? Have they always boxed as a woman? If they are fully aware of their sex status how can they justify participating as a woman?

I would also like to see some official verification of this medical report. If it’s genuine, there should be a statement forthcoming surely?

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 14:35

wombat15 · 04/11/2024 14:32

Obviously the top male athlete will be better than the top female. There is an overlap though and the top females will be better at punching than the average man on the street.

They aren't up against average men on streets. Do you think those should be competing in elite women's sports?

They're up against male athletes with male advantage.

Why is it so important to you that men should be allowed to punch women and get medals for it? Why does supporting male delusion matter more than female safety and equal opportunity?

belleager · 04/11/2024 14:35

I realise it's not the main point of this case, and that fairness and safety are foremost in posters' minds.

I'd just point out that the Muslim world isn't a monolith. North African women are not obliged to cover their hair by law or by local religious tradition. Many do, but most prominent sportswomen don't. Touching, hugging and high fiving men is also not unknown - Algeria isn't Iran. Someone like Ons Jabeur would be a good point of comparison for a Muslim sportswoman from North Africa.

NettleTea · 04/11/2024 14:35

DanielaDressen · 04/11/2024 14:31

It's 80% isn't it?, I think it's the epitome of an overwhelming majority.

its 82.5 percent

IDareSay · 04/11/2024 14:36

PumpkinPantz · 04/11/2024 14:33

If he was brilliant and skilled he would have been in the men’s division. A man who loses against men can go far in the women’s class.

Im hoping Seb Coe is made Olympic Director as I hope that he sorts out this issue once and for all.

So do I, but this needs dealing with at ALL levels of sport, not just elite levels.
No sport in this country should get any taxpayer funding unless they protect the female category (and that includes you Parkrun).

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