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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/11/2024 20:52

Sorry @EveDeservesBetter I missed your post. That's really interesting.

ZeldaFighter · 21/11/2024 07:30

This is the AI summary of the answer to the question "Why did the IOC stop gender testing?"

AI Overview
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) stopped gender testing because of the following reasons:
Lack of scientific basis
There is no scientific consensus that higher testosterone levels in women gives them an athletic advantage.

Inconsistent and inconclusive
Chromosome-based tests are inconclusive and have been criticized for being medically and functionally inconsistent.

Discriminatory
Sex testing is discriminatory against women because there are no sex tests for men.

Complexities of gender identity
Sex is not as simple as X and Y chromosomes, and there are many common sex chromosomal variations.

Human rights
Sex testing regulations violate the Olympic movement's commitments to dignity and equality for all.

The IOC's decision to stop gender testing was the result of a number of factors, including:
The case of María José Martínez-Patiño
Martínez-Patiño's experience with the IAAF's gender verification policy led to the abandonment of mandatory on-site testing in 1992.

The IOC Athletes Commission's recommendation
The IOC Athletes Commission recommended discontinuing the practice of gender verification.

The 1996 World Conference on Women and Health
The IOC World Conference on Women and Health passed a resolution to discontinue gender verification during the Olympic Games.

The IOC's executive board vote
The IOC's executive board voted to discontinue the practice in June 1999.

From my own reading, Maria José Martínez-Patiño was distraught upon being told she wasn't a woman after reaching adulthood believing she was. This was also considered distressing and upsetting for Olympic officials who had no training in how to support Athletes in these situations. Maria also

ZeldaFighter · 21/11/2024 07:51

.....then went on to sue, win and be allowed to compete as a woman so the whole thing was redundant.

I would say the situation has changed significantly now though - more people with DSDs are entering elite sports and there are more transgender individuals.

PaterPower · 23/11/2024 09:59

That AI answer has picked up such a lot of nonsense. If some of those were actually used by the IOC as justifications to stop routine sex testing then it illustrates how poorly they carry out their function.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/11/2024 10:13

What nonsense.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/11/2024 12:05

They lost me at

"Lack of scientific basis
"There is no scientific consensus that higher testosterone levels in women gives them an athletic advantage."

In that case why are natal women penalised if they ingest substances to increase their testosterone? Or is there no longer any penalty for doing this, which was believed to enhance their performance? It used to be called "doping", I seem to remember.

NonPlayerCharacter · 23/11/2024 12:37

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/11/2024 12:05

They lost me at

"Lack of scientific basis
"There is no scientific consensus that higher testosterone levels in women gives them an athletic advantage."

In that case why are natal women penalised if they ingest substances to increase their testosterone? Or is there no longer any penalty for doing this, which was believed to enhance their performance? It used to be called "doping", I seem to remember.

It is still illegal and in fact any woman who has testosterone at the level required for a transwoman to qualify to compete in the female class would be disqualified for doping.

Remember that the testosterone requirement for transwomen wasn't brought in because it was fair, but because it was possible. It is the only thing a transwoman athlete could change. It does bring performance down to reduce testosterone, but absolutely not to anywhere near eradicating male advantage. It's laughable.

And even if it did, which it doesn't, it would still be unfair because transmen can't achieve male levels of athleticism by taking testosterone, so male athletic opportunities will never be an option. So even if a transwoman did lose all male advantage by reducing testosterone for a bit (which is impossible), it just means men can have a crack at male and female sporting opportunities and medals, and women get whatever's left over when they're done.

viques · 23/11/2024 12:51

CautiousLurker1 · 12/11/2024 22:00

Yes, but if the journalists sues for defamation Khelif will have no choice but to defend his position in court, to prove that the journalist is lying? Which he cannot do, it would seem. Even if he chose to settle out of court, in an effort to evade the scrutiny, such a settlement would be tantamount to an admission of his maleness?

This is kind of a checkmate move, isn’t it?

Khelif has form for backing out of a situation where he would be forced to provide proof. When he was first banned he had the opportunity to appeal to an independent tribunal , but this would have meant that his medical records would have been produced in court. As Semanya found out when he appealed in similar circumstances the full extent of the deception is then made public. As long as Khelif can continue to hide behind the “ my medical records are private” pretence he will carry on making empty threats about legal action. He is squeezing the last drops out of this situation, in the end the truth will out, but not in court.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 23/11/2024 12:59

Discriminatory
Sex testing is discriminatory against women because there are no sex tests for men.

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