imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

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There are still people falling over themselves to defend this?

On this subject during the Olympics there was a poster who was maintaining that it is impossible to know just by looking what sex someone is (though she used the word "gender" of course). She ignored the fact that the majority of the animal kingdom is able to distinguish between males and females for reproduction purposes, and this has kept us all reproducing since time immemorial. This is based on scent, sound and crucially, appearance.

But no, with regard to humans is it a apparently complicated and muddy issue and impossible to know.

@user1471500282
Didn't have the human decency not to punch women in the head when you know your male though?

Can you evidence that claim? Any mans ability to punch comes from male physiology and testosterone.

In other sports amateur teenage boys have beaten world class female athletes in football, running etc.

Serena Williams lost to a very low ranked male tennis player.

I suspect the average man on the street could pack a more powerful punch than top female boxers. They might lack the skill of fancy footwork etc. but brute strength would see them victorious in most cases.

😁It was like the moment when I watched that video of Caster Semenya being interviewed, with his legs spread wide and his manly voice, making disparaging and misogynistic comments about women.

They just can’t hide it. Don’t want to hide it.

I love how people are trotting out the same tired arguments and ignoring the actual information about there being a literal cock and balls present.

Please please please please please!

Do you think imane khelif is anywhere near as strong as the male elite boxers?

Boxing is a risk sport. The weight categories are taken extremely seriously. Why isn't the categorisation of mens/womens events?

He should work harder.

Women's sport isn't an option for mediocre male athletes.

Are you really so stupid as to suggest that the average man on the high street will be performing in the Olympic boxing ring?

Colour me shocked.
And whatever sympathy one may have for him, the fact is that sympathy doesn't and can't lead to a fair fight. This should never have been allowed.
In no other context would a male beating a female be deemed acceptable.

Google is a little contested on this, with some answers suggesting 90% is an overwhelming majority, some saying 80% and some saying as low as 66%.

Winning about 80% of his matches sounds like an overwhelming majority to me.

Do you think imane khelif is anywhere near as strong as the male elite boxers?

That would be Imane Khelif's problem. Women's boxing isn't a consolation prize for not being able to succeed as an elite men's athlete.

So what if he isn't?

How does that make it right for a male who punches at 167% the strength of a female, to beat up a female?

I know you're desperate to defend the patriarchy and a male beating up a female live on tv, but you seem to be flailing about right now because you don't seem to have any argument or even point. And I think you know that.

It's funny. When I realised I was never going to be able to compete at a top level in sport, I shrugged my shoulders and said "Oh well"

I didn't set my sights on another category which I didn't belong in.

@wombat15 it is irrelevant how strong Imane is. He's male. He shouldn't be in a female category.

There are still people falling over themselves to defend this?

They're all in on their ideology.

Makes me feel sick. Poor woman.

This is fallacious logic.

We're talking about a (literal and metaphorical!) arena where the ONLY thing that's being contested is your boxing skills. Whether you think you're a woman or not has no bearing on your boxing abilities. Your physique will always prevail. Your intent is irrelevant, totally besides the point which is that you have the physical advantages of a man.

If you're talking about an arena where what's being contested is who is, say, the most feminine competitor, you might have a point: femininity is subjective, can be acquired and learned, is a state of mind. It's not just your physique, it's mostly an attitude (although I imagine some women would have a hard time accepting this).

People keep defending this rubbish by claiming that all athletes have bodies that are well built for their sport and that this somehow means males don't have an advantage. They never have any answer to increased testosterone, haemoglobin, fast twitch muscle etc etc.

They cheer for men punching women and taking their opportunities, because all athletes must rise or fall by how well built their bodies are. Women who can't beat men should just accept that they haven't got the right body.

And yet give them a man with a variation of development that means he hasn't got the right body, and suddenly it's highly immoral to insist he competes against men. Sex is irrelevant for women athletes, except in the case of validating a man as one.

If women must accept they just aren't built right, why mustn't Khelif? Why does sex not exist when it protects women's equality and fairness, but is all-important when a substandard man wants to switch over?

Is that relevant?

... the one he punched I mean

He was a man before the Olympics, he was a man at the Olympics and he's a man now.

We all knew, everyone knew. Every woman knows. Being able to recognise a man is a deep, primeval instinct that has protected women and kept us alive for millennia.

The whole thing is a disgrace. His medals should be returned forthwith and his titles stripped from him.

This is a male athlete who has a DSD that allows their body to virilise.

I have seen a paper and I will try to find it that states clearly that the strength, fitness and performance level for male people with 5ARD is the same as the potential for any male person without the medical condition.

So, yes. I believe that Khelif has the potential to be as strong as the male elite boxers. That Khelif is not does not require female athletes to accommodate Khelif in their event and put themselves at risk of injuries that are far more likely to be serious and life threatening than if punched by another female.

In his weight class why wouldn't he be? He's been through a male puberty.

If his genetic condition means he isn't as strong as other male boxers that still doesn't mean he should compete as female so he can take female prizes.

What it means is he doesn't make the cut as a professional boxer - like millions of other men who will never get an Olympic Gold for boxing and don't turn to cheating as a method of acquiring one.