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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

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IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 04/11/2024 21:18

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:01

Yes, but this person is not a big person. 11- 12 stone, not extraordinarily tall for a woman. Muscular, but all women boxers are. No Adam’s apple that I could perceive. So are you saying that you can tell by looking that they have statistically more muscle than a woman could ever have? I personally feel that mannerisms are an unreliable indicator of biological sex, so how do you know?

Are you suggesting that you look at that person and don’t see a man? You can’t see the different skeleton shape giving a distinctly man style walk? And those extremely defined shoulders with visible muscle in arms and legs? That looks nothing like the women he stands next to with their higher body fat ratio, and female hips?

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 21:18

@user1471500282 because humans have been able to accurately deduce the sec of another adult human for millennia. Our survival has depended on it, both in terms of procreation and protection from threat. Somewhat bizarrely, since the advent of smartphones, apparently this is no longer something humans are able to do. Except that those of us who are rational, know that we can. It's the same reason we can tell that a man in a dress with long hair is still a man irrespective of his "feels".

Errors · 04/11/2024 21:22

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 04/11/2024 21:18

Are you suggesting that you look at that person and don’t see a man? You can’t see the different skeleton shape giving a distinctly man style walk? And those extremely defined shoulders with visible muscle in arms and legs? That looks nothing like the women he stands next to with their higher body fat ratio, and female hips?

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

FFS, I showed a pic of IK to my son and asked him if that’s a man or a woman and he knew!
It really has gotten so ridiculous now that it’s the equivalent of flat earthers or people trying to argue the sky is green.

Just look at the pic of the Rio women’s 800m winners. That is a picture of three dudes. I genuinely cannot believe that people are tying themselves in knots to convince us otherwise!

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 21:22

It's not even like the image looks like a woman who is now taking testosterone. You can literally see there has never been a female puberty.

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/11/2024 21:23

Just watch the Olympic boxing matches.

It's very clear to see the women boxers move & box very differently to the men. Their hips are different so their feet move differently to the male boxers. Even those the same height as Khalief have a much different (and much shorter) reach.

Then you look at the power of their arms and punches. Men & women box very differently & this is probably dictated by physical development differences between the sexes.

It's not all Algerian alpine air.

Plus no women scored any points against Khalief. Whereas in the women's matches they all scored against each other.

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 21:24

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:18

In fact I truly believe biological facts are facts, I just don’t believe you can tell biological facts by mannerism or appearance. And suggesting that you can is dangerously limiting. I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man.

You don't need to. A cheek swab will do and Khelif failed two of them, including one he commissioned himself. You'd know that if you read the thread. The other acts, like men hugging and carrying him, are relevant because they're proof that nobody on his own team thinks he's a woman either, as they'd never do that if he were. As you'd know if you'd read the thread.

As it is, he is clearly and visibly a man anyway. He doesn't pass at all, even in makeup and soft focus. But if that's not enough for you, there's plenty more.

You lot do a lot of forcing women to repeat themselves, time wasting, denial etc. It's designed to exhaust us and waste our time and to be fair, it succeeds. But the facts remain and they can be repeated however often you ignore them. He's a man.

As someone on X said earlier, though, he could have dropped his shorts and teabagged everyone in the room and you lot would still be insisting he wasn't a man. You can waste our time, ignore the facts, argue by assertion, insist on endless repeats, deny, deflect, filibust, whatever. He's still a man.

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 21:25

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:18

In fact I truly believe biological facts are facts, I just don’t believe you can tell biological facts by mannerism or appearance. And suggesting that you can is dangerously limiting. I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man.

When people (usually men) call women 'men' or 'manly' as an insult it isn't because they can't tell she is a woman. Quite the opposite. It's used as an insult because they do know a woman when they see one. They just want to put her down - see Serena Williams.

This is completely different to the current gaslighting of women that's going on where we are told that obvious men are not men despite masses of evidence to the contrary.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 21:27

When the whole furore was happening, I showed that picture to My Nigel and he was just bemused that I was even asking.

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/11/2024 21:27

I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man

There is only one thing that makes you a man. Being born a boy & growing up.

If you have got to this stage in your life & you can't correctly sex 99.99% of people with a mere glance, we can't help you.

But just so you know, this is something humans are exceedingly good at.

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:28

nolongersurprised · 04/11/2024 20:54

Surely that poster was being sarcastic?

In that case I apologise unreservedly!

The telling thing being, I couldn't actually tell, such is the insanity of some of the claims.

OuterSpaceCadet · 04/11/2024 21:29

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:01

Yes, but this person is not a big person. 11- 12 stone, not extraordinarily tall for a woman. Muscular, but all women boxers are. No Adam’s apple that I could perceive. So are you saying that you can tell by looking that they have statistically more muscle than a woman could ever have? I personally feel that mannerisms are an unreliable indicator of biological sex, so how do you know?

How did I suspect?

Loads of things! That I am consciously aware of? Upper lip, brow, jaw, arm muscle shape, hips, waist.

If I met IK in the flesh I'm sure I'd be able to add smell and gait. But there must be so much more our brains register that we're less aware of.
(I like to jog in a wooded area. I can spot who is male from a huge distance. Despite running and dog walking clothing being pretty similar for men and women. I doubt I'm unique.)

I believed his female opponent who stopped the match. Why wouldn't I ?

And ironically it was the way trans activists and celebrity virtue signallers leapt on the case online, despite IK saying themselves they weren't trans, that assuaged any remaining doubts. They don't do that shit for actual women.

And of course IK's behaviour, sitting on the coach's shoulders. To say it is unusual is not to say Muslim women from Algeria should or should not behave a certain way. It is simply an observation.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:30

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

Oh god this, so much.

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 21:30

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:28

In that case I apologise unreservedly!

The telling thing being, I couldn't actually tell, such is the insanity of some of the claims.

It's at that point where you can no longer satirise these people.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 21:32

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other.

Only TRAs do this based on sexist stereotypes, not looks.

I was the ugly duckling at school - the bullying was so vicious because they KNEW I was female.

And TRAs are quite telling on that point too - they'll compliment men with the largest receding hairline if he insists he ''feels like a woman'' but us terfs are put down immediately.

Its ironic, really.

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 21:33

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

I don't believe for a second you go through life in a permanent state of confusion as to who is male and female. This is an ideological position you hold not one based in reality.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:33

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

Have you ever met a human where you have genuinely not been able to decipher whether they were male or female? Really?

PurpleSparkledPixie · 04/11/2024 21:34

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:30

It constantly amazes me that so many people are suddenly arguing that they can’t tell male from female. When did this mass delusion come about? Why hasn’t it affected other countries like Afghanistan? They know which half of the population to cover and silence.

Oh god this, so much.

It's quite scary isn't it. I wonder what their dating scene must be like. "Hello, my name is Nigel. I'm a man. What are you?"

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/11/2024 21:34

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

And that's why sex tests exist. Khelif has failed two of them. So if his jaw, wingspan, shoulders, chest and hips didn't convince you he's a man (we all know they did but we also know you'll never admit it so whatever), good news! We don't have to rely on looks! A simple once in a lifetime cheek swab is all that's required.

Your endless noise about looks is irrelevant.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 21:34

I guess my overarching point is that it isn't being able to detect bio sex that has got us here.

Its society being predicated on women being support humans, sex objects, only useful if they look good and/or are ''adequately'' feminine - and the ridiculous availability of porn, coupled with a society ill equipped to deal with poor mental health.

UnnecessaryOwl · 04/11/2024 21:35

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 20:18

He/she can't possibly have gone through male puberty. Without modern medical investigations there would be no way of knowing he was not a women.

I'm trying to work out if this is sarcasm.

I liked the post as I really thought it was 😂

Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 21:35

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

Its not a box its a spectrum.
As I and others have said already several times a small, slighltly built man still looks like a man and a tall muscular woman still looks like a woman.
Occasionally it can be hard to tell in photos or video but never in person.
Its not even just about looks per se, its about their physicality. Even in the very few cases where I have been unsure its been quite obvious within seconds as they move

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 04/11/2024 21:38

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:18

In fact I truly believe biological facts are facts, I just don’t believe you can tell biological facts by mannerism or appearance. And suggesting that you can is dangerously limiting. I look like a man and act like a man, I must be a man.

You appear to be confusing superficial cosmetic aspects of appearance with the fixed aspects of a body which are extremely difficult, if not impossible, to replicate by the opposite sex. Skeleton, fat to muscle ratio sex specific proportions -shorter body, larger hands/feet/head in males than females.

What does ‘act like a man’ look like? If a man doesn’t act like that, is he not a man?

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

SpudleyLass · 04/11/2024 21:40

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

No less reliable than any media source that refers to men, such as Eddie Izzard, as she/her.

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