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imane khelif has been allegedly confirmed to be a man.

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Cartwrightandson · 04/11/2024 13:15

A leaked French medical report from 2023 has confirmed that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is male.

Top endocrinologists found that Khelif has XY chromosomes, no uterus, internal testicles, and a "micropenis."

The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.

reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/

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Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 21:41

I like to jog in a wooded area. I can spot who is male from a huge distance. Despite running and dog walking clothing being pretty similar for men and women. I doubt I'm unique.

me too.

I can even tell my husband’s gait from a distance with my fuzzy long distance sight. It is pattern recognition. Male hips = male gait.

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:42

Look at the length of his face and jaw. That's what happens to a boy's face who has gone through puberty. Literally anyone who has had a son knows this. Their faces lengthen in a way that girls' faces do not. I used to be a primary teacher - occasionally I get a young man or woman hailing me in the street "Hi miss". I have a far harder job recognising the young men.

This is nothing to do with Western standards of beauty and everything to do with biology and hormones.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:43

Hoppinggreen · 04/11/2024 21:35

Its not a box its a spectrum.
As I and others have said already several times a small, slighltly built man still looks like a man and a tall muscular woman still looks like a woman.
Occasionally it can be hard to tell in photos or video but never in person.
Its not even just about looks per se, its about their physicality. Even in the very few cases where I have been unsure its been quite obvious within seconds as they move

Yes it’s a spectrum. Im not trolling google
for photos of transexuals that are able
to ‘pass’ but they exist, and so do people that are the sex they claim to be but are further to the other end of the spectrum in looks. My personal issue is I feel that we’d have a lot less gender confusion if people were more accepting of difference in the first place.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:43

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

Where do you get yours? Pink News? The Guardian?

Planesmistakenforstars · 04/11/2024 21:43

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 04/11/2024 15:31

Man Punches Women in Face. Awarded Gold Medal. Women who Object Labelled Bigots.

I have no sympathy for Khelif. A micropenis is not an excuse.

From another thread:

'Did you know that male boxers don't wear helmets because their punching power is so great that the risk of a broken neck (torsion injury from catching on the helmet) greatly outweighs that of a fractured skull?
Now, women have much thinner skulls, so they do wear helmets. Lucky they don't risk a broken neck from being punched by men, isn't it?'

He could have killed a woman. He doesn't care.

A man should not be in the ring with a woman, but this is not true. Here is a summary of the report from the AIBA study in the Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine:
https://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/fulltext/2017/01000/use_of_head_guards_in_aiba_boxing_tournaments_a.13.aspx

There seems to be an increased risk of concussion with a head guard, for various reasons. But risks of broken necks and fractured skulls with or without head gear is pure hyperbole from whoever came out with it. The reason headgear was not removed for women as it was for men is because there was not enough data either way. Nothing to do with thinner skulls. The head gear has also been kept for juniors - both boys and girls - for the same reason that no study big enough has been conducted.

Use of Head Guards in AIBA Boxing Tournaments—A... : Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine

emoval of head guards in 2 different ways. The first was to examine the stoppages due to blows to the head by comparing World Series Boxing (WSB), without head guards, to other AIBA competitions with head guards. Secondly, we examined the last 3 world...

https://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/fulltext/2017/01000/use_of_head_guards_in_aiba_boxing_tournaments_a.13.aspx

LadyWiddiothethird · 04/11/2024 21:44

Of course he’s a man! Always was.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 21:44

This global gaslighting has got to end.

Seriously it does. It only ever favours male people.

It's the most misogynistic movement ever. Women literally don't count.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/11/2024 21:45

My personal issue is I feel that we’d have a lot less gender confusion if people were more accepting of difference in the first place.

For sure. But that doesn't mean men in women's sports, or jails, or rape shelters.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:45

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:43

Yes it’s a spectrum. Im not trolling google
for photos of transexuals that are able
to ‘pass’ but they exist, and so do people that are the sex they claim to be but are further to the other end of the spectrum in looks. My personal issue is I feel that we’d have a lot less gender confusion if people were more accepting of difference in the first place.

Again, have you ever met a human where you genuinely didn’t know if they were male or female?

WestwardHo1 · 04/11/2024 21:48

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:45

Again, have you ever met a human where you genuinely didn’t know if they were male or female?

And this is in the flesh, not enhanced with all the things men think they need to do to "pass". Unfiltered images if you like?

belleager · 04/11/2024 21:48

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:45

Again, have you ever met a human where you genuinely didn’t know if they were male or female?

I have a few times. That's just about the limits of my perception of course. It doesn't change biology. But it does happen occasionally.

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 21:49

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:30

I personally don’t believe at all that anyone can 100% tell every time the biological sex if a person, esp from a photo or video. Not even in person. Because there are billions of people and all
shapes and sizes. 100% you can determine it by the chromosomes they have. And the more you have one box of what men look like and one box for women, the more you’ll have people saying I don’t fit in this box, i must belong in the other. And again, I think it’s cheating to box as a woman when you know you are a man, but deciding they are a man because they look like a man is reductive.

It really isn’t ’they look like a man’. It is the analysis our minds do to filter male body cues. And it doesn’t have to be everyone doing it 100% right all the time. For instance, it can require hearing a voice and seeing a person move in real life. It is also more reliable that female people pick up male body cues and not necessarily female people on testosterone. And by that female gait is still female gait and their skeletal proportions are still female and hips and q-angles etc.

Luckily, boxing doesn’t allow for heavily scripted moves and photoshopped imagery. It is very clear in the leverage points of those punches and Khelif’s stance .

So, no. Not based on ‘looks’.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:49

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/11/2024 21:45

Again, have you ever met a human where you genuinely didn’t know if they were male or female?

I have. An older post menopausal woman I thought was trans woman. I was younger working on a checkout and she came in all the time. Full sure she was a man. But she wasn’t. She lived nearby and one of the other girls knew her. I got a right dressing down which I deserved. And I live in a small
conservative place. I’m sure in a place like London I’d be unsure a lot more.

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 21:51

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:49

I have. An older post menopausal woman I thought was trans woman. I was younger working on a checkout and she came in all the time. Full sure she was a man. But she wasn’t. She lived nearby and one of the other girls knew her. I got a right dressing down which I deserved. And I live in a small
conservative place. I’m sure in a place like London I’d be unsure a lot more.

Edited

If you thought she was a trans man then you did know she was female.

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 21:52

Or do you mean 'trans woman'?

You don't seem to understand the subject you're arguing very well.

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 21:53

@user1471500282 if you thought someone was a "trans man" then you knew they were female...

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 21:53

Planesmistakenforstars · 04/11/2024 21:43

A man should not be in the ring with a woman, but this is not true. Here is a summary of the report from the AIBA study in the Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine:
https://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/fulltext/2017/01000/use_of_head_guards_in_aiba_boxing_tournaments_a.13.aspx

There seems to be an increased risk of concussion with a head guard, for various reasons. But risks of broken necks and fractured skulls with or without head gear is pure hyperbole from whoever came out with it. The reason headgear was not removed for women as it was for men is because there was not enough data either way. Nothing to do with thinner skulls. The head gear has also been kept for juniors - both boys and girls - for the same reason that no study big enough has been conducted.

Female people do have less dense bones. And they have a much higher risk of concussion due to having more delicate brain fibres and weaker necks to protect from
impact. The Swansea uni study discusses this.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:53

OvaHere · 04/11/2024 21:51

If you thought she was a trans man then you did know she was female.

Sorry, mistyped, for clarity I thought it was a man, presenting as a woman.

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 21:53

@user1471500282 or do you mean trans woman... ie someone born male?

ChishiyaBat · 04/11/2024 21:55

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:01

Yes, but this person is not a big person. 11- 12 stone, not extraordinarily tall for a woman. Muscular, but all women boxers are. No Adam’s apple that I could perceive. So are you saying that you can tell by looking that they have statistically more muscle than a woman could ever have? I personally feel that mannerisms are an unreliable indicator of biological sex, so how do you know?

I said this when the olympics were on and we were discussing it on here:
Watching him fight(cheat), watching him move, my eyes saw it all, my brain said male. Especially seeing him next to the other women it was just so obvious to me (and millions of others) that was a man. Have you watched him fight? What did your eyes tell you?

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 21:55

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:49

I have. An older post menopausal woman I thought was trans woman. I was younger working on a checkout and she came in all the time. Full sure she was a man. But she wasn’t. She lived nearby and one of the other girls knew her. I got a right dressing down which I deserved. And I live in a small
conservative place. I’m sure in a place like London I’d be unsure a lot more.

Edited

Perhaps you have trouble and now just assume that everyone is like you.

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 04/11/2024 21:56

hoarahloux · 04/11/2024 21:39

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

Are you suggesting that they made up a medical report produced by two major hospitals and sent to the IOC ahead of the Olympics? And also made up the previous evidence of his testosterone levels, failed sex tests and competition bans for being male that corroborate the report? Not to mention all the other supporting evidence we see with our own eyes?
Interesting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/11/2024 21:57

Ah yes Reduxx dot info. Noted news source. Honestly, people need to be looking at where they get their news from.

It originally comes from a French investigative journalist who has written for the Guardian before.

user1471500282 · 04/11/2024 21:58

ChishiyaBat · 04/11/2024 21:55

I said this when the olympics were on and we were discussing it on here:
Watching him fight(cheat), watching him move, my eyes saw it all, my brain said male. Especially seeing him next to the other women it was just so obvious to me (and millions of others) that was a man. Have you watched him fight? What did your eyes tell you?

But this is my point. I don’t trust eyes, I see beautiful feminine men but they are men, no matter how feminine. Is that not so?

Planesmistakenforstars · 04/11/2024 21:58

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 21:53

Female people do have less dense bones. And they have a much higher risk of concussion due to having more delicate brain fibres and weaker necks to protect from
impact. The Swansea uni study discusses this.

Yes, that is true. But the person I quoted stated that it is the reason female amateur boxers wear head guards, and male ones don't. And that is not true.

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