Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

Stop deflecting.

What is a trans woman?

Why would a trans spaces not be safe for them?

Tough. Ultimately. Trans people either use third spaces. Or stick to the space corresponding with their natal sex.

I'd like them to answer why transwomen would not feel safe or dignified undressing in a third space with other transwomen.

@ChungKing so you’d treat a trans female who’s had gender reassignment, looks like a woman, has lived as a woman (whatever that means) for years as a man ? To their face ? If that person attempted to enter a female loo you’d stop them ?
(I don’t necessarily agree that they are a woman btw, they’re a transwoman but I do wonder how this would be policed).

If what that looks like for them is getting changed in the presence of unconsenting women, and making those women feel unsafe and uncomfortable in a women only space in their place of work, then quite frankly I couldn't give a fuck.

They need to find a solution that looks like something else.

“Tough”?

So safety and dignity for trans people isn’t actually a legitimate concern?
We have lost our point of consensus that there should be safety, respect and dignity for women; as well as safety , respect and dignity for trans people?

‘Trans female’

look at this language creep. It’s deliberate.

Still men.

Why would transwomen need biological women present to maintain their 'safety and dignity?' Why would that be necessary?

Why would does it feel justified to you to use women as support humans for men?

I'd like that person to have enough respect for women not to enter women's loos in the first place. It's not women's job to stand up to members of the opposite sex who might harm them in some way.

They are men. What's wrong with treating them like the thing they are? I wouldn't try to stop them no, because as a 5ft petite woman I'd be concerned for my safety to do so.

It shouldn't need to be policed. They should respect women's boundaries.

Frankly it’s not women’s problem if mentally ill men don’t feel safe in men’s single sex spaces they should campaign to sort that out.

Men really don’t like it if women won’t do their bidding.

That means THIRD SPACES.

You cannot ensure the safety and dignity of both women and trans women IN THE SAME SPACE.

It's not possible.

If they are in the same space then you are not ensuring the safety and dignity of the women.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

quite frankly I couldn't give a fuck

about safety and dignity for trans people?

Language creep. Trans woman or Trans female what’s the issue ? Trans male trans man ?

Stop deflecting

what is a trans woman?

I have wondered why trans organisations are so determined to trash the social contract and render women and girls unsafe by advocating for mixed sex showers, changing rooms, toilets and hospital wards etc.
I wonder why the safety of women and girls matters so little to trans groups.
I have noted the dismissal of 3rd spaces because it makes men sad not to be able to use women for validation purposes.
And I note the complete absence of any targeting of men to be kind and inclusive and safe towards men who believe they're in the wrong body. Instead it's always women and girls (as usual) being targeted to give up their hard fought for right to safety, dignity and privacy from unknown men.

Why do you think this is?

Exactly! The mind boggles 🤦🏾‍♀️

WHY DOES ENSURING TRANS WOMEN'S SAFETY AND DIGNITY REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO UNCONSENTING NAKED WOMEN?

Why does their safety and dignity trump women's? Again, why would they not be safe and dignified in third spaces with other transwomen?

What's a woman?

Females who identify as trans are trans men.

Female has a specific meaning which does not include anyone male. Trans women are male, Biologically it is impossible for them to ‘become’ female no matter how much body modification surgery they have they will never be genetically female.

Most of us agree, third spaces for these people, however well they pass. But demonising them all as dodgy potential perverts is ridiculous.

Here's a further question for you then.

Imagine we created third spaces for trans people, at enormous public expense, and they then refused to use them and continued to use spaces for the opposite sex instead?

Then what?

I don't think they're all dodgy, and I have said so in this very thread. But, some of them are, and the ones who are demanding female spaces are even more suspect than the average.

Why do you think so many of them don't want to accept third spaces, which have been suggested as a solution by many women like me for over a decade? it's either because they think every woman on the planet should validate them or because they have bad intentions.