Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

[TealTraybake]

Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

You’re a dangerous rebel @TealTraybake !!!

And the dogshit in the street which gets onto the nurses' uniforms is going to be so good for the patients!

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I think being a nurse myself, I'm in a reasonable position to know that we have not had a changing room at all for the last couple of years. Everyone comes in uniform and leaves in uniform. So, it's a non-issue.

I scare myself sometimes.

I'm amazed his wife wants to breed with him. If she has a child with him she's tying herself for life to a man so narcissistic he doesn't give a shit about women and doesn't even try to hide it. She can't pretend she didn't know what he's like - like many narcissists, he's visible from space and can't stop himself from advertising it!

Here this is, women pushed out of a womans single sex space because a man wants it and on another thread people trying to claim T is not a misogynistic movement. Where are you defenders, tell us more about how it isn't misogyny...

Yea, I wondered how to get round the times I've smeared my uniform in dogshit on the way to work. But then as its never happened in the last 20 odd years, I don't sweat that it's going to happen now I've not got changingroom provision.

Are you sure none of your female colleagues minded? No Muslim colleagues, or orthodox Jewish women or sexual assault survivors amongst your colleagues at all? Or even just any woman who didn't feel comfortable undressing in front of a man? Did anybody check or give women an opportunity to answer honestly?
IMO it isn't to do with anybody's sexual orientation, it is about privacy and dignity and not making women feel coerced.
In any case, the male in the situation described in the OP is definitely heterosexual and clearly getting a kick out of taunting and bullying the female nurses.

I have several family members who work for the NHS whose terms and conditions state that they have to change at work.

They would be disciplined if they travelled in their uniforms.

So it most definitely IS an issue.

It's on us ladies to ensure that doesn't happen I'm afraid.
Always has been the case, always will be.
It began with the Suffragettes over 100 years ago (votes for women) and will continue ever after.

It is probably a significant cross infection issue, but standards have plummeted so far these days I suppose nobody cares. When I worked on labour ward we all changed into clean scrubs at the beginning of the shift. We often took a shower before going home too, what with frequently getting splashed with bodily fluids.

That is awful. Not only for the nurses but the patients too. Doesn't sound like someone I would want changing my catheter. How on earth did we get here?

And re 3rd spaces... that's not what these men want at all. They want validation and unlimited access.

No wonder we have trouble recruiting and retaining nurses.

Reading the actual article it is clear that these women don’t have the option to change at home.

My sister in law travels by train to a children’s hospital to care for intensive care children. The idea that she should come in her uniform to appease some men who claim to be women is frankly laughable.

As a nurse I can tell you aside from theatres/ITU we do not have changing rooms. During covid we tried to cope by using the single toilet or, when our colleagues were changing, we waited our turn outside the staff room. Of course this all adds time to our shifts.

Now I go to work and back in uniform, if I was forced to change with males I would ignore the request, carry on and engage with my union.
I am so fed up with this bs. Everyone should have privacy and dignity, I think trans people should have their own changing rooms, if that makes me a terf so be it.

The answer to men wanting to enter women’s changing rooms is not to remove all changing rooms just because not every healthcare setting has them.

Can have these men having hurty feelings can we?

If they can’t get what they want no one can have it! 🙄

Are you suggesting that the solution is for doctors and nurses to perform surgery wearing the same scrubs they got the bus to work in? And to get the tube home wearing scrubs that are covered in the bodily fluids of sick people?

I’ve definitely read before that there is no evidence to back the talk of infection control and travelling in uniform up. People certainly don’t roll about in dog shit on the pavement as another poster seemed to think. Even 20 years ago when getting changed at work was more enforced we still wore our work shoes to work, just not uniform, so any dog shit would still be on my shoes 🤷‍♀️

I can’t read the article even with the archive link.

but I’d be arriving and leaving in uniform regardless of the rules and they could suspend me if they want. If they work in the OR they could arrive in scrubs.

We changed at work until a couple of years ago. The policy changed, so it's scrubs to work, and scrubs home. Cut-backs, no space probably. Different trusts have different policies it appears.

Yes. Though getting blood on your scrubs is unlikely, tend to wear gowns over scrubs in theatre.

I’m a nurse - it’s a big no no where I work to come into or leave work in uniform. We work with an extremely immunocomprimised cohort- it’s just isn’t done.
That being said, I learnt my lesson 20 years ago as a CSW when I didn’t move out of the way of projectile vomit fast enough, and had to travel home on the bus.

And then it would only take a few days of people turning up in uniform for management to actually do something.

Well it wouldn't appease them. What they want is for her to take her clothes off in front of them. All it would achieve is allow her employer to avoid actually dealing with the issue.

Anyway. This isn't a hygiene issue as much as a sexual harassment issue. It is an absolute disgrace that this man is being allowed to get away with it. Sexual harassment has always been a significant problem in the NHS and this Trust are just encouraging and enabling it.