To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

[Absym]

Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

Why would we wait until that point when it'll be too late.

Because we’re currently not getting to that point.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-involved/years-too-long-dont-keep-survivors-waiting-for-justice/

What the tories have done, or not, when Labour get in (assuming they do), everything everywhere will get so much worse. If the leader does not know what a woman is, how can he protect women? He can’t. If the law doesn’t know what a woman is, how can it protect women? It can’t. If the law says a man is a woman, how can it protect women? It can’t. And Labour will make this dystopian nightmare much much worse. See Scotland, Spain, Canada. Horrific.

From another thread, put so succinctly

So do I understand this correctly, people don’t want to vote Labour because they haven’t committed to something but it’s ok to vote Tory who also haven’t committed to the same thing.

And yes, I’d rather eat only bread / beans / rice for the rest of my life, than eg. see any children / women be raped by predatory men in toilets, or predatory men dressed as women getting children to trust them then rape them. When it could have been prevented if people had stopped the madness. Since you keep bringing it right down to but but but what about what about what about.

Not for me. This is why I'm ex-Labour and struggling to vote at all. They've purposely not acted in opposition to stop this. And it would be a gift eg the visceral reaction to "Isla Bryson". They've allowed the awful treatment of Rosie. Moreover, they drop policies like hot stones - except for this one. And they whipped to vote with the SNP on this topic. Why would you trust them with the keys to no10, based on their record? You'd be mad to think they won't go Full Canada. They absolutely will. They'll do it. Don't think they won't. They will.

😂 What? We all know Labours’ view on women. They think women have penises. Labour have a woman problem. We all know that. It’s been repeated time and time again.

That’s the thing. They know they will. But they don’t care. Or understand. I’m really not sure which. Maybe a bit of both.

@Cancelledcurio 5 years going to school a few inches shorter than a previous generation ( indicator of poverty deprivation and decrease in standard of living ),

Have I misunderstood, or are you seriously saying that 5 year olds are a few inches shorter than 5 year olds of a generation ago? If so, where did you get that form?

So let me get this straight, until we get action on rape convictions we shouldn't care about rape victims being reabused by their attackers, because a loophole in self ID allowed males to access female shelters? We shouldn't care about those males who have been convicted of rape being out in prison with vulnerable females who are likely DV victims?

No pet.

We survived Theresa May 's attempt to bring in Self ID. We've survived the genderwoo written into legistlation. We've survived the indoctrination of our children. We are surviving a PM who says a woman is what Boris Johnson says, when Johnson refused to say only women have a cervix. Well survive and fight whatever the next administration do.

It's the feminist way.✊️

This year we get to vote out the Tories and thank fuck for that. They've wrecked the lives of too many in this country, mostly women and children.

This year we get to vote out the Tories and thank fuck for that. They've wrecked the lives of too many in this country, mostly women and children.

Hear, hear.

More what aboutism again. Labour never tell anyone what Labour will do. They only ever say but but but the tories. Grrr the tories. We’re better than them. And that’s all you need to know. Well, that and we hate women. Such a grubby little party these days. Gone is the proud Labour Party of years ago.

Isn't your whole point that you think people should ignore all the blatant shit the Tories have piled on women and children because "But but but Labour think women have penises"

‘Niche obsession’? Perhaps you need to do a bit more research. Educate yourself a little.

Uhm no.

It's terrifying isn't it.

I mean, these men and sycophantic women who truly believe that if a man says the magic words 'I'm a lady' ... without any hormones or Surgery, they are now indeed women and therefore no threat ...are just so captured that they'd actually put us at real risk.

It beggars belief.

Until there are magic force fields in our spaces which keep predators out... no men, however they identify should be allowed in.

No amount of swishy skirts, wigs or badly applied lipstick should change that.

I suppose I should have said that Labour don’t just think that some women have penises. Labour have stated that some women do indeed definitely have penises.

We haven't "survived the indoctrination of our children". Far from it and another area that would have been a slam dunk for the Opposition (certainly a topic where they should've been holding the government's feet to the fire), and you need only look at Wales to see what will be cemented in England under them.

The only reason we've not been completely fucked here, is the Tories realising belatedly how terrible a decision self-ID would be, and the Lords. The Lords are the unsung, key difference and the reason why - without an unencumbered second chamber - Wales and Scotland have failed to safeguard their populations. It's why we've not gone the way of most other western nations. The Dentons Playbook didn't reckon on our peers. They are the only thing that will stop the worst excesses of Labour or - worse - a Lab/Lib/Green coalition.

Indeed they have stopped the worst excesses of some Tory policies (think: protest law which was rejected as an add-on and a debate was forced), and just recently the arguments formed there against "conversion therapy" (ie transing gay kids) were head and shoulders above what we've heard in the Commons.

Absolutely 💯. And as it is a favourite saying of the left these days 🙄, I’ll use it here.

Those people who are enabling the destruction of women’s and children’s sex-based rights, and the consequences that will arise because of this - are on the wrong side of history. Of that there is no doubt. In a few years people will write about how this bat shit crazy woman and child hating dystopia came to be, but sadly there will be many victims of it in the mean time.

That's very much how you're coming across.

Like you're hoping to make people forget how awful these current Tories have been to women, children, disabled people etc by going on and on about this one issue.

I'm not Tory or Labour voter usually, but my only choice if I want my vote to count is between them. After the shit show of the last few years under the current Tories, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote for them.

I'll be glad when the Tory bots go back to sleep once this election is over.

I would actually vote for a pigeon at this point if it would get these current Tories out.

‘Tory bots’. You need say no more.

Ha same, can't be any worse 😂

At least a pigeon doesn’t try to acquiesce a tiny proportion of the population at the expense of 51%. So possibly, a pigeon or Larry. If he’s still alive.