To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

[Absym]

Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

Well you know what @Absym vote Tory. You know you want to. Most of threads advising women to vote for the ‘women respecting’ tories have gone tits up and poster handed her arse but you can still try to change a few minds.
Doubt it though….

Why did you quote Burchill twice in as many posts? Her lack of logic is breathtaking - when virtually no rapists ever get convicted, they’re certainly not going to wind up in women’s prisons.

No. Here it is again. Lack of comprehension about what some women are saying. Well, it is either lack of comprehension or purposeful misunderstanding . One never knows.

They are not ‘advising women to vote for the ‘women respecting’ tories’; they are saying do not vote Labour because they give not a fck about women’s rights.

By the way, I’m sorry to tell you that the threads haven’t gone ‘tits up’ 😂. Not at all. I’m finding more and more women are beginning to understand the situation more clearly. Where before there was confusion. Still, time will tell.

No no. She stated what Labour politicians have said about women (or men who knows with Labour), particularly clearly.

I thought it was worth repeating.

@BIossomtoes

I note you still haven't commented on the effect of self ID on the rape victim's rights as related in the article in the OP. Do you agree self ID is having a detrimental effect on female take victim's rights and as feminists we should be fighting it? If not why not?

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I think as a feminist there are bigger issues affecting women to worry about. So sorry I didn’t respond in 26 minutes @Absym. I’d gone to bed. 🙄

When men can self-ID as women, no, there are not bigger issues as a feminist to worry about. What that is, is Game Over.

I think as a feminist there are bigger issues affecting women to worry about

Same.

@blossomtoes you don't think rape victims and domestic violence victims being further abused by their abusers aided and abetted by law is a huge feminist issue?

I thought you wanted to talk about rape and the law? It seems not.

Case of fuck around find out. If you think no harm will come to women of going Full Canada then...

and the Tories have allowed this to happen on their watch as well . They have also * a horrendous rate of child poverty, women dying in childbirth, women living in damp,over priced private lets, working in vastly underpaid jobs, dying on NHS waiting lists, strugging to feed their families due to the rising cost of living crisis due Tory mismanagement of the economy, 5 years going to school a few inches shorter than a previous generation ( indicator of poverty deprivation and decrease in standard of living ), our streets are way less safe for our girls and women in general due to massive cuts in policing , cuts to child protection at social work/child protection/domestic violence services under the Tories. I could go on. All evidence show that whenever Labour are in power, all women and especially women of my class (working class ) and children get a much better deal in this country under Labour and get shafted under the Tories . So no ta. Won't stop me nipping my MP's head though, if he is returned as I expected he will be.

@Absym not all of the Labour Party think like Dawn Butler . She isn't relevant any more. The Tories have Penny Mordaunt who holds similar beliefs and and others who support gender ideology. Labour have great MPs like Rosie Duffield and the Welsh MP Toni who's last name I have forgotten apologies but I am in a thyroid brainfog(my chemist is behind with my meds - another result of the Tories. Fuck ups to medical supplies.)

I do. I want a government that will operate a functioning judicial system so rapists actually get convicted and not left to roam at large. That government isn’t this one. We’ll worry about where they’re incarcerated when they’re tried and found guilty. Until then it’s all hypothetical in this country.

Great so you finally agree this thread is needed.

I look forward to you starting threads on the issues you'd prefer we prioritised.

You can see my priorities on any political thread. Always assuming you have any interest in anything other than the trans issue.

This is about the women issue.

We’ll worry about where they’re incarcerated when they’re tried and found guilty. Until then it’s all hypothetical in this country.

It's not just this though is it? It's police information for suspects being accurate, it's crime records being accurate, it's victims not having to comply with the Equal Treatment Benchbook (written by AGPs it seems) being forced to call their rapists "she" in court, it's victims being able to access single sex therapy. All of those things have to be in place before you can sit from a position of detached luxury, hand waving it all away "oh we will will about the end stage THEN". You won't get to that end stage with self-ID.

You can try to pretend this isn't fundamental to feminism but it doesn't wash. This is why TRAs hate how we've been successful in so far resisting the worst ie the Canada situation. Don't dismiss this. It's mission critical. Not moving to self-ID is a massive achievement of grassroots resistance. Don't minimise this and don't underestimate the determination of those who will continue to push it and the grave threat it poses to women, children, and the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jul/13/legal-aid-cuts-vulnerable-women-access-justice-budget-england-wales
what’s your opinion @Rainbowshit don’t those women matter ? What about the horrendous state of british prisons and how women are treated in them ?
Are you actually wanting us to vote for the party that allowed these things ? Really ?

They say they are bothered about working class women but are happy to throw them to the wolves for their niche obsession. Trans Trans Trans v everything else that’s bedevilling the country.
What else would you expect of largely middle class women who want to be freedom fighters. Maybe do some charity work, volunteer in a hospice, like something positive.

Women and children's rights are already fucked @Absym. The Tory party has fucked them hard over the last 14 years.

I care about ALL issues that affect females, pet. I'm not going to be told that there are specific examples of abuse against females that I should shut up about just because it suits your agenda thanks very much.

I have no political affiliation. They're all as bad as each other. By criticising all parties online I hope to try and drive some sense back into them so I can vote for a party I believe in again.

We’ll worry about where they’re incarcerated when they’re tried and found guilty.

Why? Why would we wait until that point when it'll be too late.

We're currently discussing rape victims prior to that point being re-abused by their abusers aided and abetted by a law that many wish to bring into this country.

Yes

🙈 How many times. It’s not a ‘trans issue’. It’s a women’s and children’s rights issue.

But you know that really. At least, I hope you do.