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Male born person wins women’s golf tournament and is now “worried about his safety” - interviewed by GMB (Title edited by MNHQ)

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HermioneKipper · 23/01/2024 00:15

Why the hell are GMB gaslighting women with this stuff?

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1749329378352275568

This is an enormous male-bodied person - even larger than the interviewing man!

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https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1749329378352275568

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StragglyTinsel · 26/01/2024 19:19

No one is banning transwomen from sport. They’re just saying they don’t get to compete in the female category.

This is the same logic whereby not getting what you want supposedly equates to ‘erasure’ or denying the existence of’ of whether utter catastrophising is the order of the TRA day.

People need to stop taking the catastrophic language at face value and actually think. Transwomen can compete in sport. Just in the male category. Or in the new third categories some sports are offering. They don’t want this so TRAd shout very loudly about how they transwomen are being banned from sport entirely and other hyperbolic bullshit.

It’s deeply irritating.

TheKeatingFive · 26/01/2024 19:40

The whole TRA narrative is fuelled by drama and falsehoods that have no basis in reality.

Trans people are banned from sports

Trans people are being literally genocided

The other side deny Transpeople's existence

Trans suicides are sky high, fuelled by hate crimes

JKR is a hate filled, transphobic bigot

The GC movement are literally nazis

Absolutely none of this is true. Yet there are people who arent paying very much attention who fall for the hyperbole

Helleofabore · 26/01/2024 20:39

Overcooker · 23/01/2024 01:30

That is not what she says. I don’t know enough about the science to know whether I agree with her or not, but at least engage with what she’s actually saying (that pre-surgery and years of hormone treatment, she would have had an advantage):

”My whole philosophy behind all of this is I don’t believe trans people should be banned from sports, but I do believe there needs to be guidelines in effect," Davidson said. "Going back even four years ago or even before I had surgery, I definitely had an advantage. I would 100% agree with that.

"But the difference is now that years have gone on, three years after surgery, my physical capabilities now compared to back then are night and day. So again, honestly, I 100% agree that men do have advantages. Say you get a trans person on hormones for a year or no surgery nothing… of course, for the most part, yeah they’re gonna have an advantage."

I suggest that you really do more reading of the studies on this topic before posting someone who is basically ignoring the evidence and is spreading misinformation.

The advantages are still present. The bones don’t shrink, the lungs don’t shrink, the veins don’t shrink, the muscles may change, but how much of that is because these make people choose ‘shape’ over ‘strength and fitness’. It is now suggested by sports scientists and developmental biologists that these male athletes could regain their performance if they changed their training

So, either way, these male athletes have chosen to take steps to limit their own performance. What other athletes are rewarded in competing with a protected sports category that they have no fucking right to claim because they have taken steps to limit their performance? If a male athlete has lost their testes to cancer, do they get to compete as a female also?

Why is this special group of male people allowed to make this choice yet be allowed to compete in a protected category that they have no right to claim. It is NOT a ‘woman’s’ Sports category. It is a female sports category.

There is no logic in this inclusion when you start to scrutinise this. It relies on the lie that these male people have become ‘women’ to make this even sound reasonable. But they are not ‘women’. They are male. Not female. Never to be female.

It is a myth that they can wind back their physical advantage. It has been proven with studies. And it was never true. Yet discussion of this issue is constantly framed as hate and ‘disgusting’ if it points out the truth. I am happy to post you links to read.

And yet, the constant demand to repeat the lie that a male has become a female or that they are weak now so should compete, just because that is kind, is what has harmed women and girls in their sports. How fucking kind is that? How fucking kind is it to scold women and girls for stating the truth and that this inclusion of male people in female sports categories is harming women and girls.

And no one is banning these male people from sport. They can compete with other male people. They choose not to .

Chichimcgee · 26/01/2024 20:59

I think if an archaeologist can dig your bones up in hundreds of years and say 100% that’s a man’s skeleton, it doesn’t matter what hormones/surgery/whatever you have, you are always going to be a man and have the advantages of that.

Chichimcgee · 26/01/2024 21:03

Why is it always men causing such fuss. There’s a gorgeous woman on Fb called big sexy, she’s often mistaken for a man and she says that’s fine because she knows how she looks, she’s been yelled at in a public loo and had to explain that she’s a woman but understands why it must have been a shock thinking there was a man in the women’s loo - she’s so lovely and understanding and self aware. Then you see a video of a man with stubble having a fit over someone calling him ‘he’ crying over pronouns and misgendering him and poor him etc its attention seeking to an extreme

Ofcourseshecan · 26/01/2024 21:24

Brewdug · 23/01/2024 00:52

Why?

Because we’re horrid and hurting men’s feelings and should be chased out of the biggest talk forum before we corrupt anyone else.

OneMorePlant · 27/01/2024 00:40

Chichimcgee · 26/01/2024 21:03

Why is it always men causing such fuss. There’s a gorgeous woman on Fb called big sexy, she’s often mistaken for a man and she says that’s fine because she knows how she looks, she’s been yelled at in a public loo and had to explain that she’s a woman but understands why it must have been a shock thinking there was a man in the women’s loo - she’s so lovely and understanding and self aware. Then you see a video of a man with stubble having a fit over someone calling him ‘he’ crying over pronouns and misgendering him and poor him etc its attention seeking to an extreme

Because men are the weaker sex. 😁

endinthefrownz · 27/01/2024 14:52

https://www.shewon.org/

She Won. This website is dedicated to archiving the achievements of female athletes who were displaced by males in women’s sporting events and other types of competitions expressly for women. One day soon we hope their accomplishments will be formally recognized.

She Won banner: Selina Soule and Alanna Miller; picture attributed to Alliance Defending Freedom

List of Female Athletes by Sport | She Won

This website is dedicated to archiving the achievements of female athletes who were displaced by males in women’s sporting events.

https://www.shewon.org/

endinthefrownz · 27/01/2024 14:55

willingtolearn · 23/01/2024 09:47

I am glad to see the polling results.

As to 'misgendering' I am not an adherent of the transideology belief system. Misgendering is a made up word to me.

My own belief system is led by reality. My statements are led by this and unless you are saying my speech should be compelled to reflect someone else's belief system that is in direct conflict with my own I can call this person a man.

This....

pickledandpuzzled · 27/01/2024 15:16

Chichimcgee · 26/01/2024 21:03

Why is it always men causing such fuss. There’s a gorgeous woman on Fb called big sexy, she’s often mistaken for a man and she says that’s fine because she knows how she looks, she’s been yelled at in a public loo and had to explain that she’s a woman but understands why it must have been a shock thinking there was a man in the women’s loo - she’s so lovely and understanding and self aware. Then you see a video of a man with stubble having a fit over someone calling him ‘he’ crying over pronouns and misgendering him and poor him etc its attention seeking to an extreme

Just FYI. Searching for Big Sexy on FB is probably not wise.
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