To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

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Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

Condemning Israel would be seen by many as condemning Jews and supporting Hamas, Palestine and Islamic countries in general. This is difficult because the threat of terrorism to the West is significantly greater from Islamic extremists than Jews.

Yes, I don’t understand why people don’t get this?

Hamas are disgusting and are apparently willing to allow Palestinians to be murdered.

Wanting to destroy Hamas seems a pretty fair desire after what has happened but it is not ever going to be okay for that to come at the expense of the lives of innocent civilians including a million children.

I totally agree with you OP. The Palestines have been treated dreadfully by the Israelis and no-one has batted an wte kid as they are largely funded by the US. Now this relatiation by hamas is (while understandable to a degree) is simply horrific.

There are no winners here

Its going to take the entire world, headed by the UN etc to sit down together to have any chance of a negotiated lasting peace a la N Ireland / Sth Africa. Yet they jump on bandwagon & Sunak uses it as a photo op to serve dinner to the Navy.

The Troubles ended because people in NI were sick of it, the terrorists lost support.

@BMW6 this is different to Hiroshima. This isn’t just about bombing Gaza as even the Israeli president has said - it’s apparently about a ‘new reality’ in Gaza and that is the language of genocide.

Moving 1.1 million people in 24 hours would mean 42 thousand people per hour going over the border or across into another region. Starting now.

Hospitals. Elderly. Everyone.
42 thousand people every hour.

Who really thinks that the Israeli government believes this is a genuine physical possibility?

Hamas are disgusting and are apparently willing to allow Palestinians to be murdered.

Do people think they care about ordinary Palestinians!

Hospitals. Elderly. Everyone.
42 thousand people every hour.

Who really thinks that the Israeli government believes this is a genuine physical possibility?

Its not possible but I also don’t believe if they gave them a week anything would be different.

The word Genocide is being thrown around far too lightly on here.

If every single member of Hamas is killed that would not be a Genocide.

If every civilian in Gaza was killed in the bombing it would not be a Genocide.

Using the word inappropriately cheapens it until it becomes meaningless.

The Israelis will mount a ground invasion of Gaza to "wipe out" Hamas. This will inevitably cause widespread casualties amongst the Palestinian population. Western governments will be vocal in their support of Israeli action until the Palestinian casualty figures become too great to justify a ground operation. At this point the Western governments will start to urge the Israelis to use restraint and start peace talks. All except America 🇺🇸 which has always shown a more steadfast support for Israel, regardless of civilian collateral casualties. Eventually America, because of US public opinion, will call on Israel to stop its ground war. At this point Israel will grudgingly listen as America holds the purse strings. I'm afraid that the Palestinians are in for a shocking time with grotesquely high casualty figures .... until Israel is forced to stop, by America.

Yes apologies! It was meant to be for @BMW6

Bombing a small defenceless state is genocide but whatever helps you to sleep at night I guess.

*The word Genocide is being thrown around far too lightly on here.

If every single member of Hamas is killed that would not be a Genocide.

If every civilian in Gaza was killed in the bombing it would not be a Genocide.

Using the word inappropriately cheapens it until it becomes meaningless*

ultimately it’s about what the aims are here! Is Israel’s aim ‘REALLY’ about getting rid of Hamas or is it an excuse to do what the settlers have been doing for the last 75 years and rid the land of Palestinians? That is the crucial difference. Because the latter- getting rid of a people- is definitely genocide (see Polpot in Cambodia for reference) - so it depends what we think is really going on here doesn’t it?

The Israel government don't care either. They would be happy to wipe out all of Palestine, with or without Hamas.

You know movement is heavily restricted in and out of Gaza war or no war.
Not everyone has western passports to board a plane straight away after a warning.
Where should the people of Gaza go of which mostly are children?

I’m not saying that what Israel is doing is right or that it’s easy to move all those people. I’m just saying that Israel has told civilians to leave and that Hamas has told them to stay so they can act as human shields.

The Israeli government knows full well they have nowhere to move to and can’t move that number of people in the time given.

Yes it is. And the UK is cheering it on

“Forced expulsion through threat of violence is ethnic cleansing”

Just seen this on the news too.

It's war. Civilians are killed in war men women and children. Appeasement has never worked in the past and it won't work now.

This absolutely, there’s wickedness on both sides and the innocent trying to live their lives suffer. This is going to reverberate on for decades.

@Viviennemary what does that even mean?

Is anyone still bothered by Russia and Ukraine bombing each other or is that old news now?

@RudsyFarmer of course people are bothered. But this is the current topic of discussion. It doesn’t lessen what’s going on elsewhere either.

Although this is pretty wild. Cutting off electric and water to Ukraine = war crime
Cutting off water & electric= ok if it’s Gaza