To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

[Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73]

Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

*For enjoyment!!!!!!!

Can you post the evidence please*

Hamas filmed themselves carrying out the atrocities on the 7th and proudly uploaded the footage. I'm certainly not posting it but if you really want to see what they did it's easy enough to find on twitter.

Sorry to be picky

It's Antonio Guterres Sec General who has said this

UN Security Council doesn't meet until 6pm EST and they;ve been struggling to agree on the wording of a Resolution to debate

But fingers-crossed some small chink of hope

My post was taken down on another thread for
asking for evidence as the poster was blatantly blaming one side.
Other posters didn’t obviously feel the need for evidence.
That whole post is gone now.

As others are doing
Post known unbiased news reports
I know it’s hard to find anything unbiased but we should at least highlight the source.

As an aside
Any thoughts on Al Jazeera English other MNs…….
Not other Al Jazeera networks as I believe they’ve had issues in the past

Al Jazeera English has always been very unbiased, excellent reporting, wha5 are your thoughts MNs

@SomeCatFromJapan

"A lot of people yesterday seemed to default to the assumption that Israel is killing civilian children for enjoyment. Which is ironic given that we know Hamas do."

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I don't think anyone has posted that Israel is killing children for enjoyment. And I strongly hope that if they did then MN would delete their post and possibly the entire thread.

Perhaps there have been posts suggesting that the killing of children was intentional or unintentional but I have never seen anyone suggesting it was for "enjoyment "

Thanks I didn't pick up on that.

He seems "bigly" coherent compared to Trump.

I withdraw my "for enjoyment" statement, it was unnecessarily inflammatory, I won't go back and edit my post as people have replied now.

@sandrabopi

"Well Hamas apparently went under the radar in their thousands when planning their attack and now with the eyes of the world on them they make a phone call admitting it and name each other in the phone call . And even if those voices were those of known Hamas militants AI could easily create it."

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Given the deeply entrenched views of each side I don't think any information or evidence would change your mind. These threads are not about informing or debating they are about preaching.

Yeah Trump called the Israeli Defence a very rude word and commended Hezbollah for being 'smart guys' last week

And next year Trump vs Biden - what a pick out of 350 million US citizens

I've seen propaganda. No evidence yet.

Is there evidence the other way? I've just seen a load of conjecture and supposition.

The experts have said that the most likely scenario is that it was a Palestinian rocket misfiring on launch. That doesn't rule out other possibilities, but it does make those saying "it's definitely Israel, Hamas said so" look rather foolish.

This is where I got my info from.

The Israeli government's digital and other media spokesman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67141589

And at the bottom of the page is where I found mine.

I thought you liked BBC links.

"Well Hamas apparently went under the radar in their thousands when planning their attack and now with the eyes of the world on them they make a phone call admitting it and name each other in the phone call . And even if those voices were those of known Hamas militants AI could easily create it."

Presumably Palestinian Islamic Jihad are not the same group of terrorists as Hamas though?

Quite.

And wasn't there only a handful of high-ranking Hamas in Gaza who knew about the plot during the planning stage along with other elite parties in Iran, Qatar, etc etc?

The ordinary Hamas guys allegedly didn't know until a few days beforehand - except presumably the ones learning to fly para-gliders off tower blocks ?trained elsewhere

@OhHelloTheres

Effectively, you’re saying that because Hamas are evil and won’t return the hostages, then they deserve it.

By your simplistic and disgusting reasoning if batshit crazy terrorists have committed such an atrocity don’t suddenly start playing nice and be good boys and return the hostages then it’s just too bad and the people of Gaza, women and children and the most vulnerable will denied WATER.

ISRAEL is cutting off their water supply. No matter how you try and deflect from that you cannot.

No amount of ifs or buts about what terrorists should or shouldn’t do will excuse it, ever. Ever.

verdantverdure
This is where I got my info from
The Israeli government's digital and other media spokesman

No he isn't -

A prominent Israeli journalist Hananya Naftali has been drafted by Israel Defence Forces to fight for his country as it prepares for war against Hamas terrorist group. He is among 300,000 others who have been drafted by Israel to fight in the war.

Hananya Naftali announced that he is leaving to defend his county in a heartfelt post. He shared a photo of him hugging his wife on X, previously twitter, and said that in his absence, she will be managing his social media account. He captioned the photo, "I am drafted as well to serve and defend my country Israel. I said goodbye to my wife India, who sent me with blessings and protection of God. From now on she will be managing and posting on my behalf so be nice to her."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/goodbye-to-my-wife-israeli-journalist-called-up-to-fight-for-country-4465819

It's my understanding that "the YouTuber" works for the Israeli government in what he calls "digital warfare".

x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1713126713721262271?s=46&t=1F3_GXoDvLPajCYTYkHKGg

I've read that Netanyahu was at "the Youtuber's" wedding.

Wonder if Bibi and Joe enjoyed their lunch maybe with lots of lovely chilled water - knowing that just 75 miles away lots of people are needlessly starving and drinking brackish water contaminated with faecal bacteria

Hope they ate modestly and with gratitude

So? Maybe he was someone’s plus one.

what’s a wedding got to do with this?

Isn't he sort of like Netanyahu's protege?

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Thats a really deliberately obtuse response. Wedding invite says a lot actually. But you knew that.

Looks like he shared a report on reuters - so not information from the government;

Earlier today I shared a report that was published on @reuters about the bombing at the hospital in Gaza which falsely stated Israel struck the hospital. I mistakenly shared this information in a since deleted post in which I referenced Hamas’ routine use of hospitals to store weapons caches and conduct terrorist activity. I apologize for this error.