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To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

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Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 13/10/2023 09:19

Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  • Killing members of the group;
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

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Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 15/10/2023 16:48

@parakeet7 you are in absolute denial. Even the UN and the WHO are asking for restraint & for an end to the violence by Israel. Read the news- it’s everywhere. And call it what it is, ethnic cleaning and genocide.

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verdantverdure · 15/10/2023 16:57

I’m suggesting that the BBC has verified that innocent civilians have been killed whilst complying with the Israeli government’s order to leave their homes. @DownNative

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time
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DownNative · 15/10/2023 17:03

verdantverdure · 15/10/2023 16:57

I’m suggesting that the BBC has verified that innocent civilians have been killed whilst complying with the Israeli government’s order to leave their homes. @DownNative

But you can see why others have detected an implied anti-semitism from you since you don't outright state its unverified as to whether it's Israel or Hamas blame.

Can you state so in your own words?

verdantverdure · 15/10/2023 17:05

Where is the anti-semitism? Please point it out @DownNative

DownNative · 15/10/2023 17:09

Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 15/10/2023 16:48

@parakeet7 you are in absolute denial. Even the UN and the WHO are asking for restraint & for an end to the violence by Israel. Read the news- it’s everywhere. And call it what it is, ethnic cleaning and genocide.

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I'm pretty sure the UN is calling for restraint from ALL involvedin the hostilities. And not just Israel as your post suggests.

I don't believe I've seen the UN use the terms "ethnic cleansing" and/or "genocide". Can you share them, @Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73?

DownNative · 15/10/2023 17:11

verdantverdure · 15/10/2023 17:05

Where is the anti-semitism? Please point it out @DownNative

I asked if you were going to state in your own posts that it's NOT verified as to whether it was an Israeli or Hamas strike on the convoy.

Are you going to state so in your own posts or not?

SomeCatFromJapan · 15/10/2023 17:14

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/10/13/the-atrocity-denialism-of-the-anti-israel-bigots/

Good article from Spiked. The weird, grotesque obsession of some posters endlessly arguing about the murdered babies as a flex to undermine the attacks is addressed.

The atrocity denialism of the anti-Israel bigots

The debate over beheaded babies has been grotesque.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/10/13/the-atrocity-denialism-of-the-anti-israel-bigots

FOJN · 15/10/2023 17:14

Al Jazeera are reporting that Israel has agreed to turn the water supply to parts of southern Gaza back on. It's not confirmed that this has happened yet and there are concerns that Gazans won't be able to pump the water without electricity.

Concerns about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the futility of the IDF military assault are also being written about in the Israeli press. Gideon Levy has written several opinion pieces in Haaretz but they are behind a paywall. Here he is being interviewed on Democracy Now.

Israeli Journalist Gideon Levy: Israel Should Lift Siege & Call Off Plan for Ground Invasion of Gaza

From Tel Aviv, we hear from award-winning Israeli journalist and author Gideon Levy, whose recent column for _Haaretz_ is headlined "Israel Can't Imprison Tw...

https://youtu.be/P5t2JLpB7SY?si=tsiYrpfoure8dFZ-

KTheGrey · 15/10/2023 17:51

@BMW6

How would you describe the event of every civilian in Gaza being killed? Geographically limited ethnic cleansing?

Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 15/10/2023 18:30

Out of the mouths of babes as the saying goes @DownNative

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1713534228367880548

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1713534228367880548

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Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 15/10/2023 18:38

Last post was deleted on twitter but here’s the same video of Israel’s president rewritinh international law @DownNative twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1713197149180113028

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1713197149180113028

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Efacsen · 15/10/2023 18:52

17m ago
18.27 BST
US secretary of state Antony Blinken: Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza to reopenFollowing his multi-country tour of the region, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said that the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza will be reopened, Reuters reports.
Blinken added that the US is putting in place mechanisms alongside the UN, Egypt and Israel to get assistance to those in need of it.

Israel | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 19:26

IDF Spokesman says 600,000 people have moved from north to south Gaza

These peoples survival is surely seriously under threat

1dayatatime · 15/10/2023 19:41

Interestingly this attack on Palestinian civilians moving to southern Gaza was claimed by the Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs as proof of an Israeli missile attack on civilians.

However open source military exerts and Sky News military expert state that it was not a missile attack but either a car bomb or a bomb under the road.

Sadly this raises the prospect of Hamas attacking and killing innocent Palestinian civilians trying to flee south.

news.sky.com/video/share-12984993

Beyondshock · 15/10/2023 21:20

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SomeCatFromJapan · 15/10/2023 21:29

@Beyondshock posting drivel is one thing but that most recent post of yours is an anti-Semitic disgrace. Still, at least people can see for themselves.

Beyondshock · 15/10/2023 21:43

It’s not anti semitic. Are you saying it’s not true? There were people on those homes that are now occupied by Israelis. It’s not true?

Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 15/10/2023 21:47

The interview with this doctor in Gaza on the bbc says it all- Israel are ignoring the Geneva conventions

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1713625342894653635

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1713625342894653635

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etmoietmoietmoi · 15/10/2023 21:49

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Beyondshock · 15/10/2023 22:03

It’s not antisemitic to mention the ‘nakba’. Israeli soldiers and generals mention it all the time. And not only that but there are countless videos. COUTNLESS of hoping for another nakba. Go search it. It’s pretty easy to find. There are so many videos of soldiers gleefully shouting they will kill the Palestinian mothers and children. Were they being antisemitic? And you didn’t answer the question….what I wrote wasn’t true?

Beyondshock · 15/10/2023 22:04

What is truly disgusting is your unwavering support during a genocide. I can’t believe it. I honestly cannot believe it

SomeCatFromJapan · 15/10/2023 22:04

You slipped up there when you mentioned "the Jews" and wanting to "kill and kill and kill".
Blood libel basically.

parakeet7 · 15/10/2023 22:07

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Antisemitic

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