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Wiccan · 10/07/2023 10:23

JustHavinABreak · 10/07/2023 10:03

For the sake of clarity, I'm going to use biological terms. This man is like the stereotypical child in the playground chanting "nah nah na nah nah"

He has a nipple fetish and can now use this current era of woke bollox-ology to indulge himself and flaunt it. Most of the time, I don't have the time or energy to get involved in these discussions but this time there's a child involved. It's a baby fgs. He's not feeding that baby, he's using that baby.

This ^

ciderhouserules · 10/07/2023 10:24

*Do you feel the same way about everyone who uses induced lactation?

People WOMEN with IGT
People WOMEN with traumatic births
People WOMEN with pph
People WOMEN with prem or sick babies
Adoptive FEMALE parents
Same FEMALE sex parents*

Fixed that for you.

MEN should not be indulging their fetishes by clamping a baby to their nipples. There is absolutely NO benefit to the baby, and all the sexual gratification to he MALE.

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:24

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 10/07/2023 10:23

*He is chest feeding

Providing his baby with nutrition just the same as a BF mother*

No. He. Isn't.

Yes. He is

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:25

ciderhouserules · 10/07/2023 10:24

*Do you feel the same way about everyone who uses induced lactation?

People WOMEN with IGT
People WOMEN with traumatic births
People WOMEN with pph
People WOMEN with prem or sick babies
Adoptive FEMALE parents
Same FEMALE sex parents*

Fixed that for you.

MEN should not be indulging their fetishes by clamping a baby to their nipples. There is absolutely NO benefit to the baby, and all the sexual gratification to he MALE.

Do you not think human milk is beneficial to babies?

Blimey the ignorance

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:25

Providing his baby with nutrition just the same as a BF mother

No he isn't. There is nothing like adequate research done on the liquid he is producing. We have no idea of the actual impact on the baby's health.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 10/07/2023 10:25

@Seeitsayitsalted what is boring is the amount of people clearly lacking in intellect that supports this in the name of 'being kind'. He is not providing his baby with nutrition, he is putting his own wants and needs before a baby. Selfish to the core.

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:25

Do you not think human milk is beneficial to babies?

Women's milk is.

PurpleButterflyWings · 10/07/2023 10:27

Oh my god this has made me actually feel really queasy! And desperately sad that (as quite a number of posters have said,) the fetish for these men (and I have seen several 'breastfeeding a baby this past few days,) seems to be trumping the rights of a baby who obviously isn't consenting to this ... WHO do these babies belong to (when we see these men sticking their vile hairy nipples into their mouths?) Shock Where are they getting the babies from?

Why is no-one doing anything about it? Why isn't it made against the law? It literally is child abuse. I am sick to the pit of my stomach seeing this. In my 50-odd years I have never seen anything like this ... it needs stopping! NOW.

Anyone who defends this and says 'oh but it's okay...' needs to get in the fucking bin. Honestly you should be ashamed of yourself. Only a man - and a perverted one at that - would think this freaky shit is OK. And anyone who isn't outraged by it is as bad as those supporting it. You are a disgrace. Hmm

Also pregnant people? No such thing. It's pregnant WOMEN.

My neighbour from 10 doors down (aged 26,) is getting married in September, and she said she has some alcohol free booze at the wedding because there are going to be 3 pregnant people there. I just froze, and was really jarred by it. I SO much wanted to say - 'you mean pregnant WOMEN!' I held my tongue, but moved away and am giving her a wide berth now. Fucking pregnant people my arse. Hmm

And don't even get me started on calling female actors ACTORS too. They are actresses! FFS Stop the world I wanna get off! Confused

Thosesummernights · 10/07/2023 10:27

He is not. We could go on all day.

Your energy would be better placed seeking help for men who clearly have mental health concerns.

Only women can breastfeed. Chestfeeding is not a thing. Unless you are a man who feels life is unfair and that he has the ‘right’ to do everything a woman can. Tough titties. Literally. He can’t.

PurpleButterflyWings · 10/07/2023 10:28

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:25

Do you not think human milk is beneficial to babies?

Blimey the ignorance

YOU are the only ignorant one on here.

WOMEN's milk is beneficial of course. What these sick MEN are doing is not beneficial to ANY BABY!

WTAF is wrong with you? Confused

Wiccan · 10/07/2023 10:28

Yep child abuse with a very "be kind" protective fence all the way round it !

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:28

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:25

Providing his baby with nutrition just the same as a BF mother

No he isn't. There is nothing like adequate research done on the liquid he is producing. We have no idea of the actual impact on the baby's health.

Then maybe you’re not keeping up to date

many trans parents and parents who can’t BF for whatever reason don’t even need to supplement with formula and have full supplies

The la leche league have a lot of good resources on it

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:29

PurpleButterflyWings · 10/07/2023 10:28

YOU are the only ignorant one on here.

WOMEN's milk is beneficial of course. What these sick MEN are doing is not beneficial to ANY BABY!

WTAF is wrong with you? Confused

your ignorance would be amusing if it wasn’t so worrying

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:29

many trans parents and parents who can’t BF for whatever reason don’t even need to supplement with formula and have full supplies

This is absolute horseshit

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:30

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:25

Do you not think human milk is beneficial to babies?

Women's milk is.

Human milk is

Again the la leche league has a lot of information about it if you want to educate yourself

but me thinks you want to stay ignorant and hateful

monsteramunch · 10/07/2023 10:30

@Seeitsayitsalted

* "Providing his baby with nutrition just the same as a BF mother*"

Do you really, honestly believe this is true?

Because it's not.

A man may lactate. A baby may latch.

That combination does not mean that a baby is being 'provided with nutrition just the same as a BF mother'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation#:~:text=Spontaneous%20production%20of%20milk%20not,nutrients%20to%20sustain%20an%20infant.

Spontaneous production of milk not associated with childbirth, known as galactorrhea, can occur in human males and females,[6] but in males, due to lack of maturation of mammary glands during puberty, this fluid does not produce the necessary nutrients to sustain an infant.

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:30

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:29

many trans parents and parents who can’t BF for whatever reason don’t even need to supplement with formula and have full supplies

This is absolute horseshit

It’s really not

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:31

It’s really not

Oh it is ... and you know that.

So why the constant, constant lying?

justteanbiscuits · 10/07/2023 10:31

I'm a woman who breastfed, and I also get sexual gratification from nipple clamps. It is possible to separate parenting and sex life.

Dianbeatthis · 10/07/2023 10:32

Are we absolutely sure this is the same person? The mask is very obscuring and I wouldn’t be 100% sure unless there was some other proof that hasn’t been included. Does anyone know?

Makemeawinner · 10/07/2023 10:32

Anyone who truly believes that a ‘chest feeding’ male can fully nourish a baby from whatever drugs he’s taking, to stimulate something that doesn’t even come close to resembling the full complete milk that a female can produce needs a basic lesson in biology.
This act is simply to pander to the man’s needs and the babies needs are overlooked. Only a very narcissistic person would do that. It’s wicked.

Thosesummernights · 10/07/2023 10:32

It is horseshit. There is no evidence at all. It’s like you’re making up stuff and selling it as fact. This isn’t how life works.

CatMattress · 10/07/2023 10:33

justteanbiscuits · 10/07/2023 10:31

I'm a woman who breastfed, and I also get sexual gratification from nipple clamps. It is possible to separate parenting and sex life.

I presume you did not post photos of the two activities on your social media and expect that to be acceptable? I know I did not. Because I'm not using breastfeeding as a sexual fetish, a baby is not my prop and I am assuming the same for you...?

Someboysaretryintoohard · 10/07/2023 10:33

It's a disgrace. How the babies mother can permit this is beyond me.

It's so selfish, how can a parent feed their child an unknown, hormone induced substance and call it love and bonding? 100% for their own gratification.

Seeitsayitsalted · 10/07/2023 10:34

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2023 10:31

It’s really not

Oh it is ... and you know that.

So why the constant, constant lying?

From the La Leche league

”can trans women produce breast milk? Of course, but they need to follow the correct method to develop their breasts so as to induce lactation. To do so, they need to use the same hormones naturally released during a woman's pregnancy to develop their breasts. Once they do so they can often produce enough milk to cover between 25% and 75% of a baby's nutritional needs.”