AIBU to think this man (who has undergone no transitioning) should be allow play on women's teams. Sick to my stomach this is happening.

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https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

This man (in red) has undergone no attempt to transition. Yet he's playing on women's GAA football teams in Ireland because he feels he's a woman.
Imagine him tackling a poor woman would have no chance. Prior to that he played women's rugby.
Why is this happening in women's sports, prisons, changing rooms, toilets.
Why are trans women's rights more important than ours.
This man (who is in no way a woman or even a trans woman) needs to play with a team where the rest of the players have penises too or else start his own trans league. Get out of women's sports & spaces.

He could have hormone therapy for 50 years and his genitals removed and reconfigured to look like a female BUT HE'D STILL BE A MAN

None of the above changes his chromosomes. He was born male and nothing can change that.

Can't you get that though your head? Facts trump feelings.

He’s a he and should not be on a women’s team

Sadly not. It's been going on for years and discussed for as long as I've been a member on MN over on the feminist boards.

The person in the photo is a biological man. With a penis. Taking medication is not a route to changing sex. He is and always will be a man irrespective of what he chooses to call himself or whatever drugs (hormones) he chooses to take.

Not for long I hope. I think all sports will go the same way as athletics - athletics have been brave and are trailblazing this new 'haven't gone through male puberty' standard. I think it's a great development. You can't argue with it.

@StellaElevator anyone who has gone through male puberty will be stronger, bigger and faster than most women. That can’t be reversed.

Stop being a ridiculous TERF.

Yeah that doesn't work as well as it used to. More people are realising what 'inclusion' really means - mens feelings prioritised over womens safety, dignity and wishes. No Thank You.

Who gives a fuck? He's a man and will still be a man if he has 50 years of "hormone therapy" you absolute moron.

The world's waking up to this nonsense now @StellaElevator

This is so stupid. It shouldn't even need debating. Trans women should have their own category and be respected at that but not compete against biological women.

To those of you who are new to this debate. A word of warning; MN will probably pull this thread or move it to the FWR section, otherwise know as the naughty step. We must not state transwomen are men.

It's not safe to play against him.
And who would want him in their changing rooms?

Hormone suppression does not negate the advantages of male puberty- hence the ruling by World Athletics that no one who has gone through male puberty can compete against women.

Male puberty means denser bones, different pelvis shape, greater muscle strength, lower concussion risk. Even if testosterone is subsequently lowered these advantages are not lost. Research by the Karolinska Institute showed that the reduction in muscle strength due to cross sex hormones was relatively small. Trans women on hormones would still retain a strength advantage over biological females.
https://news.ki.se/new-study-on-changes-in-muscle-mass-and-strength-after-gender-affirming-treatment-may-have-an

Fortunately according to the article sense has prevailed anyway:

It came weeks before the Irish Rugby Football Association announced that transgender female athletes would not be allowed to compete in future contact rugby competitions. The ban only applied to transgender women looking to play in women's competitions.

It also says,
Olympic legend Sonia O'Sullivan said in March that transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete in women's sports - raising a massive debate across Ireland about transgendered rights.

And also,
The comments were warmly welcomed by Senator Sharon Keogan, who told the Irish Daily Mail that she was 'so glad that women have started to come out about this issue now'.

IMO the men's category in sport needs to be made into an open category that transwomen compete in. They don't then need to worry about making sure their testosterone is at a certain level and no one will be concerned that they have a natural advantage.

If not agreeing with this bullshit makes me a TERF then I'll happy wear that badge.
Have you googled this persons name? The images that come up... well let's just say NSFW. "Passionate about fetish". Are these the people we want playing sports with and against our daughters?

I do wonder how some people on this thread would cope if their son told them he thought he was in the wrong body and wanted to live as a woman.

I see your point @KimWexlersPonyTail but at some point we need to stop bring so craven. Playing nicely by the rules hasn't helped so far.

So in that spirit TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN and need to fuck off back to mens' sports.

That’s awful. Did you go back in the end? What happened?

If he's 30 I'm a hippo. I imagine he identifies as 30.

Aww don’t be mean OP. He just wants to play sport with the other girls and get his girldick out in the changing rooms in front of them 🥺

Its fucking lunacy, pure male supremacy.

He must be 30 as we aren't allowed to identify out of our age. Didn't you know? Identifying as a different age makes no sense at all!

Hopefully in the same way they would deal with any other delusion (i.e. not by pretending it's real).

I think your title reads wrong?

It seems we can say they are men in this section these days

Going by another thread

Finally

She! 😂 He’s a bloke with a cock and balls and you’re calling him she just because he demands it and he claims to have taken some hormones?!! Is that all a woman is, a fantasy in a man’s head? Stop being such a dick panderer

No man is a woman. YANBU. This is madness and it's infuriating that so many people kowtow to it

Nice try.

‘TERF’ doesn’t silence anymore.

It’s water off a duck’s back, now. As is ‘bigot’. As a misogynist woman-hater, you’re the bigot.

And if you think there’s no such thing as sex, but only gender - congrats, you’re also a homophobe.

Proud?