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AIBU to think this man (who has undergone no transitioning) should be allow play on women's teams. Sick to my stomach this is happening.

388 replies

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 07:43

https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

This man (in red) has undergone no attempt to transition. Yet he's playing on women's GAA football teams in Ireland because he feels he's a woman.
Imagine him tackling a poor woman would have no chance. Prior to that he played women's rugby.
Why is this happening in women's sports, prisons, changing rooms, toilets.
Why are trans women's rights more important than ours.
This man (who is in no way a woman or even a trans woman) needs to play with a team where the rest of the players have penises too or else start his own trans league. Get out of women's sports & spaces.

transgender

Transgender GAA Player: 'I Wish To Leave Lasting Legacy'

Transgender GAA player Giulia Valentino has broken her silence after a controversy erupted when a referee said she couldn't continue playing because of her

https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

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Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 16:31

Exactly @Rainbowshit & had the trans athlete competed with men like himself he would more than likely be bottom of the pile. Lazy shites. There's a method to their fucking madness all right, conniving fucks.

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FOJN · 24/03/2023 16:33

...and who by no real fault of their own now might have something they care about denied to them.

I care about single sex spaces and fairness in sport but some men feel entitled to them so I will be denied them through no fault of my own.

Weallgottachangesometime · 24/03/2023 16:37

...and who by no real fault of their own now might have something they care about denied to them.

They aren’t being denied entry into sport though. They just have to stay without their own sex category. Everyone doesn’t have a right to access whatever they want

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 16:39

@Weallgottachangesometime exactly. Nothing stopping them from being included within their own sex or setting up their own trans games!

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RosaBonheur · 24/03/2023 16:50

...and who by no real fault of their own now might have something they care about denied to them.

But what they care about is being allowed to compete in sporting categories for the opposite sex.

No other group has the right to do this.

All they are being denied is the right to do something no one else is allowed to do either.

Turfwars · 24/03/2023 16:55

...and who by no real fault of their own now might have something they care about denied to them.

I wanted to join the Gardai, or the Army, or if not become an Air Hostess.
Except at the time, I didn't meet the minimum height requirement.

The careers I cared about were denied to me by something I couldn't help being. Should the rules that were built around protecting the safety of the employee, or affecting their ability to do the job, be disregarded just short-arse me wanted the job?

Whether we like it or not, there are many many things that exclude us from things we would like to do. I just have to suck it up that my body is built the way it is and that I can't identify into a 5ft 9" body - or that I can demand that everyone pretend to be looking up at me because my feelings get hurt when I'm made aware of my ahem, shortcomings.

The truth of it is that for many transgender women, they don't want the third space. It's never been about them wanting a safe place to piss. If they had that space it's just a room and it doesn't validate them in the same way. I know I'm not explaining it right but they will never accept third spaces, third categories in sports. Everything is about pushing into womens spaces, and beating us at being women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2023 18:35

now might have something they care about denied to them

Well sorry, but we can't always get what we want.

This. The end.

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 18:42

And you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Now they can go & fuck off. Trans need to stop latching onto the lgb groups who have worked tirelessly for years to get the freedom the have now.

They need to jog on & stop infiltering women's spaces & sports. Like lgb women's groups have worked tirelessly to get women the level of equalilty we have now.

Trans need to focus on getting trans spaces & trans sports. Trans leave lgb groups & women the fuck alone.

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TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 24/03/2023 19:02

What I hope is someone comes up with a solution where everyone 'fits' without compromise.

There is such a solution, @Curiosity101

A third space. But transwomen don’t want that.

They want unfettered access to women’s single-sex spaces. Nothing less will do.

This disingenuous trope that trans people just want to get on and live their lives.

Oh, that that were true. If it were, this debate wouldn’t be raging.

If they were just getting on with living their lives, they wouldn’t be insisting on access to women’s single sex spaces. They wouldn’t be colonising our language and silencing us.

YouSetTheTone · 24/03/2023 19:12

and who by no real fault of their own now might have something they care about denied to them.

No. They can compete or exercise in sport in their sex category. What part of ‘being a woman’ do they need while playing sport? If it’s ‘presenting’ as a woman, well, most women tie their hair back and wear athletic clothes while exercising. Many don’t wear make up because they’ll get sweaty and hot. No one needs to ‘affirm their identity’ by putting on a costume of a woman while playing sport because most sporting women don’t adhere to those stereotypes while playing.

So basically what they want is the advantages it brings physically, or the thrills of running around with women, is that right?

No thank you.

RosaBonheur · 24/03/2023 19:12

Yes, the sad truth is that a third space would make it very clear that they are not in fact women.

There is a conflict of interests here which cannot be resolved by compromise. They want to be in women's spaces. Women don't want them to be in there. There is no option where everybody gets what they want.

Emmamoo89 · 24/03/2023 19:13

Its ridiculous

YouSetTheTone · 24/03/2023 19:15

Over 1,000 votes and 97% say it is unreasonable that this man is playing in women’s sport. Are you reading this Labour Party?

VestaTilley · 24/03/2023 19:16

YANBU. It’s a misogynistic dystopian nightmare.

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 19:31

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 24/03/2023 19:02

What I hope is someone comes up with a solution where everyone 'fits' without compromise.

There is such a solution, @Curiosity101

A third space. But transwomen don’t want that.

They want unfettered access to women’s single-sex spaces. Nothing less will do.

This disingenuous trope that trans people just want to get on and live their lives.

Oh, that that were true. If it were, this debate wouldn’t be raging.

If they were just getting on with living their lives, they wouldn’t be insisting on access to women’s single sex spaces. They wouldn’t be colonising our language and silencing us.

The only ones expected to compromise in this are women.
We are expected to welcome them & their penises into our changing rooms, toilets, prisons, excercise classes, pilates, swimming.
My preteens swim competitively, I don't & they certainly don't want boys or men in this vicinity when they are showering & changing. But these men are muscling their way into our spaces saying their entitled to be there.

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Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 19:32

YouSetTheTone · 24/03/2023 19:15

Over 1,000 votes and 97% say it is unreasonable that this man is playing in women’s sport. Are you reading this Labour Party?

And Leo Varadkar & your women hating womenphobe cronies hope you get this.

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SleekMamma · 24/03/2023 19:33

The insurance companies are turning a blind eye. They could stop it. They are waiting until a woman is killed before they bother to act.

And there's no patriarchy, yeah right

MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 19:33

YouSetTheTone · 24/03/2023 19:15

Over 1,000 votes and 97% say it is unreasonable that this man is playing in women’s sport. Are you reading this Labour Party?

These threads used to get loads of go away etc and reports

So glad the images show how bad it is in reality

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 19:34

SleekMamma · 24/03/2023 19:33

The insurance companies are turning a blind eye. They could stop it. They are waiting until a woman is killed before they bother to act.

And there's no patriarchy, yeah right

Excellent point @SleekMamma they have the power to stop this nonsense.

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Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 19:35

MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 19:33

These threads used to get loads of go away etc and reports

So glad the images show how bad it is in reality

I think at the start people were expecting the odd one or two Mrs Doubtfire types not Barbie fucking Kardashian😩

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MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 19:36

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 19:35

I think at the start people were expecting the odd one or two Mrs Doubtfire types not Barbie fucking Kardashian😩

Barbie is nightmare level

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 19:39

As is Giulia the GAA man who feels like a woman so is entitled in Ireland to play on girls teams due to new GAA ruling on inclusivity.

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elgreco · 24/03/2023 19:40

It's probably greater than 97%, I hit the wrong button by accident.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 24/03/2023 19:56

I used to be one of the ‘be kind’ group. But my eyes were opened and now I’m raging.

There are quite a few TRAs on Twitter wanting to doxx and kill feminists. It’s shocking and makes women scared to speak out (I would never air my views on Twitter out of fear).

Keep penised people out of women’s sport.

Helleofabore · 24/03/2023 20:11

For anyone who thinks males should compete in female sports categories, do you understand why there is a female sport’s category? It is only to allow female sports people to have fair competition.

Think about what other category boundaries you would be happy to accept

A 25 year old competing against a 10 year old?

A 25 year old competing against a 85 year old?

A person who had 90% vision competing with someone with 5% vision ?

A person who was a professional standard athlete competing in a novice only event ?

A bicycle with an electric engine competing against a 100% human powered bicycle in the Tour de France?

If you have said yes to any of these, why? if you have said no, then why would you accept a male with pubertal advantages in a female sports category?