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AIBU to think this man (who has undergone no transitioning) should be allow play on women's teams. Sick to my stomach this is happening.

388 replies

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 07:43

https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

This man (in red) has undergone no attempt to transition. Yet he's playing on women's GAA football teams in Ireland because he feels he's a woman.
Imagine him tackling a poor woman would have no chance. Prior to that he played women's rugby.
Why is this happening in women's sports, prisons, changing rooms, toilets.
Why are trans women's rights more important than ours.
This man (who is in no way a woman or even a trans woman) needs to play with a team where the rest of the players have penises too or else start his own trans league. Get out of women's sports & spaces.

transgender

Transgender GAA Player: 'I Wish To Leave Lasting Legacy'

Transgender GAA player Giulia Valentino has broken her silence after a controversy erupted when a referee said she couldn't continue playing because of her

https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

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Turnipworkharder · 24/03/2023 09:28

It's like something from a comedy film except it's not funny and it's not a film, unfortunately it's happening in real life.

SheDoneAlreadyHadHersess · 24/03/2023 09:29

I am so sick of these fetish freaks being humoured.

heathspeedwell · 24/03/2023 09:29

World Rugby conducted the most comprehensive research to date on having male people play contact sport against women. They found that women are significantly more likely to receive fatal or life-changing injuries when playing against a male.

Anybody who argues that it's 'kind' to allow male people to put women's lives at risk in sport is clearly showing that they don't believe women have any rights of our own.

Women are not just support fodder to validate men's feelings.

KimberleyClark · 24/03/2023 09:29

World Athletics have banned transgender athletes who have undergone male puberty from women’s events. So that’s something.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/mar/23/world-athletics-council-excludes-transgender-women-from-female-events

Redebs · 24/03/2023 09:31

Howyiz · 24/03/2023 08:09

It is ridiculous! Especially as he isn't trans, he just has a fetish about wearing women's clothes. So women are being put in danger of injury so he can get his rocks off! It's disgusting!

Thank God some sporting bodies, like Athletics are starting to see the light.

"Valentino identifies as a woman and appears to have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. A post on his Facebook wall suggests he has been prescribed wrong-sex hormones. However, in a podcast published in 2021, trans-identifying Valentino claimed to be "completely comfortable with my genitals."Beside women's football, he also engages in BDSM and fetish communities - a fact he advertises on his publicly available Facebook wall. Before moving to Ireland, under the pseudonym "DJ Mav," he played regularly at two "fetish clubs" in Rome: Ritual the Club and self-professed "world’s largest Fetish and Body Art Club" Torture Garden."

Sounds like he enjoys hurting people and the sports authorities are colluding in him hurting women.

maddening · 24/03/2023 09:32

SaysRelaaxxx · 24/03/2023 09:25

I agree!!! I do understand the point being made that there are physical differences that might make competing together in sport unfair/unsafe. But my word, the horrible attitudes of people on this thread! “No matter how many hormones they take, they will always be a MAN”…”it’s all a delusion in their head”…wow. What’s next, off to camp to be cured of homosexuality? Pitchforks and torches?

A majority of trans identifying children that do not get transed end up as gay - transition is homophobic gay conversion.

MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 09:32

SaysRelaaxxx · 24/03/2023 09:25

I agree!!! I do understand the point being made that there are physical differences that might make competing together in sport unfair/unsafe. But my word, the horrible attitudes of people on this thread! “No matter how many hormones they take, they will always be a MAN”…”it’s all a delusion in their head”…wow. What’s next, off to camp to be cured of homosexuality? Pitchforks and torches?

They are male do you not agree, do you think they have changed sex?

Annoyingwurringnoise · 24/03/2023 09:32

Women’s’ sport should be female only. Nobody who has a penis or has ever had a penis should be allowed anywhere near it. A blanket ban on any men or boys in womens’ sport, no matter how they identify, how special they think they are, how many drugs they’ve taken or watt operations they’ve had.

Bookist · 24/03/2023 09:32

No one has ever successfully explained to me how these men can 'feel' like a woman inside? They aren't women and never have been so how can they possibly know how we feel inside. And being a woman isn't a collective consciousness anyway, we are not a hive mind. Some days I will be looking feminine and doing girly stuff but equally I can be smeared with engine oil and wearing a teenage boys tracksuit.

BoogieFun · 24/03/2023 09:34

If you're biologically male and actively seek out situations where you can physically or emotionally harm biolgical women, you're not 'identifying as a woman' at all. You're a man who doesn't care about women and doesn't care if you harm them.

loislovesstewie · 24/03/2023 09:35

Please do not conflate homosexuality with men who want to pretend to be women. No matter what a person does to their body they will still have XY chromosomes. And I am heartily fed up with those who conflate DSDs with trans.

Redebs · 24/03/2023 09:36

@maddening please don't quote Jordan Peterson. He's a seriously messed-up misogynistic

whatkatydid2013 · 24/03/2023 09:37

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 24/03/2023 08:42

I’d tell him he’s perfect the way he is. He is the best and only version of him and he doesn’t need to change a thing.

He should present as however he wishes (there are no laws on men wearing dresses, make-up and having long hair - you realise this, right?). But he can’t change sex.

So he should embrace himself, just as the people who love him do.

❤️

I’ve been to some diversity training at work and there are a couple of trans women who regularly present at them. One is in her early 50s and has only recently transitioned and it’s heartbreaking really hearing the way her family reacted to her wanting to wear dresses and make up when young. She talked about her mother hitting and berating her and making it clear she wouldn’t be welcome in the family if she turned up dressed in women’s clothing.

I do wonder if Trans people feel like they must be in the wrong body primarily because people are so rigid in their ideas about what it is to be a boy or a girl.

My daughter prefers boys clothing and short hair. She’s mistaken as a boy all the time and sometimes it bothers her but we’ve never suggested she can’t do as she pleases when it comes to her style and we’ve consistently told her that even though some people think it’s really important girls/boys only wear certain things, have certain hairstyles or like certain toys that’s just because they don’t understand that everyone is different and likes different things.

If she tells me when she’s older she feels like she’s a boy I would be supportive in her exploring why she feels that way and ultimately if she wanted to transition I would support that too (though not as a child). I really think it’s helpful to separate gender identity, gender presentation and sex when having discussion about trans issues. It would also be helpful if it could be agreed what terminology will be used for sex (eg male/female) vs gender (eg him/her and man/woman)

So if someone whose gender presentation is generally more masculine identifies as a woman and decides they would prefer to use she/her then I don’t see it as an issue and think everyone should try to accommodate that regardless of their sex. Sure you might forget sometimes and correct yourself but deliberately using different pronouns than you’ve been asked to is just rude and, knowing how much it can upset people, pretty nasty.

Regardless of what your gender identify and gender presentation are your sex won’t change so if there are single sex spaces it’s appropriate you use the one for your sex. If doing so might cause safety issues there should be the possibility of providing an alternative without that being using the facilities for the other sex. In the case of sports you could easily have male only, female only & open. In the case of changing rooms, toilets etc you could provide more individual facilities suitable for anyone to use (could also use as a mechanism to increase availability of bathrooms for disabled people). In the case of things like prisons, refuge centres, rape crisis centres etc where females are very vulnerable you could have a separate service for males or in the latter case specific times with open/male sessions.

While most of what is being asked for in terms of protection of single sex spaces is totally reasonable I find it unsettling how nasty many women are about it. Some are not but many describe trans women in such awful terms and it seems like they think they are all disgusting or sexually deviant or deliberately trying to hurt females. Surely you can have some compassion for people who are trans and having a really tough time while also being firm that single sex spaces are important and should be protected?

FOJN · 24/03/2023 09:40

SaysRelaaxxx · 24/03/2023 09:25

I agree!!! I do understand the point being made that there are physical differences that might make competing together in sport unfair/unsafe. But my word, the horrible attitudes of people on this thread! “No matter how many hormones they take, they will always be a MAN”…”it’s all a delusion in their head”…wow. What’s next, off to camp to be cured of homosexuality? Pitchforks and torches?

We spent years pandering to the demands that we moderate out language to avoid offending anyone and simply ended up gaslighting ourselves.
What you are seeing here is women telling the truth in plain language, there is no hate towards the trans community, just a determination to defend our rights using very clear language.

Human beings cannot change sex, staying that this person will always be a man is a fact, not an insult. If this man thinks they are a woman despite the obvious physical evidence to the contrary, how would you describe that? Would you agree with with someone who has anorexia that they are morbidly obese?

All our pandering has lead to an adult male playing in a young woman's sports team, elite female cyclists being sidelined as mediocre male cyclists use the women's division as their retirement plan, women being injured because they are too frightened to lose their sponsorship or place on a team if they refuse to compete with males and naked adult males parading naked in female changing rooms and any young women objecting being offered counselling to address their bigotry.

What will it take to make you say enough and describe the problem in clear unambiguous language?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 24/03/2023 09:41

SaysRelaaxxx · 24/03/2023 09:25

I agree!!! I do understand the point being made that there are physical differences that might make competing together in sport unfair/unsafe. But my word, the horrible attitudes of people on this thread! “No matter how many hormones they take, they will always be a MAN”…”it’s all a delusion in their head”…wow. What’s next, off to camp to be cured of homosexuality? Pitchforks and torches?

Far from it. It is the ‘wrong body’ crowd who are trying to eradicate same sex attracted people. The ex-CEO of Mermaids, and doctors from a London ‘gender clinic’ is on record as laughing about ‘tr….sing the gay away’.

Most of the AMAB ( what we used to call men) who are now ladies, claim that they are ‘lesbians’. The head of Stonewall says that lesbians , that is same sex attracted women who do not want to have sex with trans women because they don’t fancy penis people, are like ‘racists’.

This is nothing, but nothing, to do with disliking or disapproving of same sex attraction. It is to do with stopping men injuring women on the sports field, and sexually harassing them in the changing rooms

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GrinAndVomit · 24/03/2023 09:42

It’s absolutely disgusting. It blows my mind that this is celebrated in some circles.
Misogyny never seems to go out of fashion, does it?

lifeturnsonadime · 24/03/2023 09:43

All of you who are saying he's not a trans woman or he is taking the piss out of genuine trans women are so bigoted. There is no wrong way to be a trans woman. He doesn't have to make any effort. That's what Self ID is.

And once a person is a trans woman they are a woman. And if they are a woman we can't exclude them from anything that is only for women.

Meet Grrl Alex, the gender non conforming trans woman from Wales

Meet the marvellous Alex, from Cardiff. Part of the My Genderation 'Patchwork' series, with All About Trans.www.mygenderation.comwww.allaboutrans.org.ukwww.f...

https://youtu.be/Lj4V-Nme86U

Giggorata · 24/03/2023 09:43

Deluded or paraphiliac MAN.

FourTeaFallOut · 24/03/2023 09:45

It's just cheating dressed up in hurt feelings.

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 09:46

possomblossom · 24/03/2023 09:15

Saw a joke recently:
I'm curvy (insert preferred adjective),
But I identify as slim.
I'm trans-slender...

Made me laugh....

Thanks for the chuckle😊

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Happylittlechicken · 24/03/2023 09:46

While most of what is being asked for in terms of protection of single sex spaces is totally reasonable I find it unsettling how nasty many women are about it. Some are not but many describe trans women in such awful terms and it seems like they think they are all disgusting or sexually deviant or deliberately trying to hurt females. Surely you can have some compassion for people who are trans and having a really tough time while also being firm that single sex spaces are important and should be protected?

that used to be my stance, but too many times seeing women degraded, bullied, castigated and threatened for requesting basic human rights and dignity knocked that right out of me. Where is the compassion from trans people for women having a really tough time having their rights eroded? Or is the compassion only supposed to go one way? I got called a TERF for saying a violent male rapist did not belong locked up with vulnerable women. Have you seen the “kill terfs”, “rape terfs” signs. These are the people you want women to be compassionate to? Why would we want to do that?

PhillySub · 24/03/2023 09:47

Interesting subject. So if you inform the government that you feel that you are 70 years old they should start giving you an old age pension.

Brightshinylight · 24/03/2023 09:47

he feels he's a woman.

really does not matter what he feel like- he has no idea what been a woman is. It is not a choice, I don’t recall been given one.

But as they have a pair of balls they think they can get away with this misogynist behaviour. Maybe a kick in the balls to remind them of their biological sex would help 🤔. It is only fair imho.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 24/03/2023 09:47

Argh that picture of Barbie Kardashian reminds me of that clown serial killer. So creepy.